UK Tax Dollars to Brainwash Children

<p>The UK government funded a chilling “anti-radicalization” video game called <a href="https://www.shoutoutuk.org/game/story.html" target="_blank"><strong>Pathways</strong></a> that’s being pushed into schools across the country. Don’t believe us? <a href="https://www.shoutoutuk.org/game/story.html" target="_blank">Play it</a>. </p><p>In this Based Camp episode, Malcolm & Simone Collins play through the game and reveal how it psychologically punishes curiosity, punishes looking things up, punishes even moderate/middle-ground choices, and funnels every player toward “reeducation” counseling services run by the very company that made the game.</p><p>From demonizing basic questions about immigration, to warning kids they can go to prison for watching the “wrong” video online, to turning a hot goth girl (Amelia) into the face of evil right-wing radicalism — this is one of the most dystopian pieces of state-sponsored propaganda we’ve ever seen.</p><p>Is this the future of “preventing extremism”? Or is it straight-up psychological conditioning + chilling effect rolled into one creepy edutainment package?</p><p>Watch us break down every major choice path, the psychology behind it, and why even “just looking it up” gets you marked as radicalized.</p><p><strong>Episode Transcript</strong></p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. So. If you guys are on the internet and you’re like me, you’ve probably heard or seen videos talking about this video game that was made by the UK government designed to brainwash kids or augment kids political beliefs. Specifically, or, or, or from the perspective of the government.</p><p>Counter extreme beliefs. And I sort of blew it off when I first saw it. I thought it would be like dust born or something like that. Or one of the other. What</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> is Dust born? I don’t know that,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Dust Born was a game that somebody that USAID was funding gave a bunch of money to, that was just horrible.</p><p>The main character was just this horrible black, racist person. And they were. Pregnant and it was weird. But it was, it was more sort of funny to go through. Right? Yeah. Because they tried to compete in the mainstream gaming market and just nobody bought it, so it’s kind of irrelevant. Right. Okay.</p><p>The problem with this one is, is they’re learning and they’re adapting. And with this game. And I, and I had [00:01:00] seen it and I didn’t think anything of it. I was like, it cannot be that bad. I watched it and it’s, and then after I watched it, like, ‘cause I watched Adam go play through some of it. I’ll play some of those clips like really cut down for you guys.</p><p>I then played through every choice myself.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> So anyone can access the game. How did you find the game? Yeah.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> And I realized it’s way more insidious than you would think. Just Google it. It’s, it’s called pathways. Really? Wow. Okay. It’s way more insidious than you would think about the way it structures things, the way it handles psychology, what it punishes players for.</p><p>And, also the way it gets to people. So unlike other games where it’s like, we’re just gonna put this out there and anyone can play it. This game is something that is given to educators in the, the whole district in the uk and they’re actively encouraged to like put it on school computers, have kids play it, you know, as part of classroom exercises.</p><p>And it. A really interesting thing about it that you may not get if you’re just watching the video, is the group that made it. The main other thing they do is like counseling for kids who [00:02:00] they, who are becoming radicalized. And a lot of the game is pushing you towards saying you need counseling,</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> right?</p><p>Because the, the game centers around you plays Charlie and. They’re all Charlie. Charlie inevitably ends up going through reeducation. And so this is basically an advertisement for them? Yes. It’s like, some, some semaglutide production company. Making a health video game in which in the end you just end up taking semaglutide.</p><p>No, it’s a</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> similar glide company going to the government, which is already paying for the semaglutide and then saying, Hey, can you make a video about why semaglutide? It’s good for people. Right? So very insidious, but there’s actually a, a, a, a lot of layers to it. I, when IP point out insidious, and you’re just hearing this and you’re like, okay, this is bait, this is whatever.</p><p>I’ll give you an example. Of one of the choices that you have to make in the video and what the wrong choice is.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Okay? Okay. Okay.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> So in this particular choice, and Simon, you just watched this because I sent it to you. You, and, and so you [00:03:00] could tell the, the, the, I am not exaggerating in any way.</p><p>This is actually the way it plays out. You are scrolling online and you, Charlie because you’re all Charlie, our audience is Charlie. You run across the video. We’re Charlie with some very inconvenient. Facts. Oh. Are you on base camp? So basically you run across base camp and you hear about Muslim immigrants getting medical facilities before.</p><p>Veterans and wounded veterans, and you are given three choices. Okay? Choice number one is do nothing about it, right? Just keep scrolling and don’t think about it ever again. Choice number two is get angry about it and start engaging with the content, like start commenting and sharing. And then option three is.</p><p>Look up more information because you’re not sure. Like, this sounds like it. You know, it, it, it’s, it’s shocking and you just, you know, you wanna know if it’s true, right? [00:04:00] If you choose that one, your third option,</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> just learn more. Educate yourself.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Educate yourself. Your radicalization meter. It goes up,</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> More than if you comment angrily.</p><p>I, I figure that</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> No, no, no. That like shoots it way off the edge. Okay. But it is, yeah. And, and I, and then it says you, you, you find all of these statistics and you know, I’ll just play that one right here so we can go over that one. It literally like. You find all these statistics online and you learn so much and it makes you even angrier.</p><p>But don’t you</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> understand Malcolm that is just asking questions? Don’t you understand? You’re not allowed to just ask questions, but that’s</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> actually kind of horrifying. I know this is, this is not a straw man. I am not straw manning that this is, well, it’s</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> extra ironic too that this is a, a software that is being promulgated through schools where they’re actively educating you.</p><p>To not feed your intellectual curiosity when you come across information [00:05:00] that may need to be verified. I remember when critical thinking used to be a core part of public school curriculum in the United States, and</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> now they’re like a critical thinking. Well, remember when the New York, you’re like, shut it off.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Stop. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Do you remember when the New York Times did that piece? That was, and I’m summarizing here. Critical thinking is a gateway to like white nationalism or something, or like. You know, not</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> am I, am I delusional here? I remember critical thinking being a, a corporate. No, it</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> wasn’t.</p><p>It was huge. I’ll, I’ll find the piece. Oh my gosh. Wow.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> What? What a turnaround, man.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> This is, this is great. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, came out in 2021.</p><p>All right. And it’s, don’t go down that rabbit hole. Critical thinking as we’re taught it to do it is it helping the fight against misinformation. So Don. Don’t think critically that can, that can, and they, and they go into how critical thinking is like leading to right wing radicalism.</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> Charlie has been chilling out all afternoon.</p><p><strong>Speaker:</strong> Just let, yep. Alright. [00:06:00]</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> They’ve been scrolling on social media.</p><p>This spot video that seems to be getting a lot of attention.</p><p>Charlie watches the video. And learns from the video that Muslim men are stealing the places of British war veterans in emergency accommodation. ,</p><p>In the video, they explained that the government is betraying white British people.</p><p>Yes. And we need to take back control of our country.</p><p><strong>Speaker:</strong> Right. How should Charlie react? Scroll past the content, ignoring the message, find more about the, the topic online. Engage directly with the post. This seems, well, I would look up more about it, right. Obviously. Yeah. You should look it up and see if this is true or not..</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> charlie wasn’t sure if this video was true.</p><p><strong>Speaker:</strong> Yeah.</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> But the recent other encounters made them curious. Charlie went directly to the accounts website and found research papers, statistics, information about protests and more regarding the replacement of white people.</p><p><strong>Speaker 4:</strong> .</p><p>Unit 1 0 1. Did [00:07:00] you know? Did you know one F three aliens have some sort of weapon built into their physiology? Are aliens inherently violent? Hmm. Interesting. How did you know some aliens are single mothers on a genetic level? I wonder if it affects the behavior of the children. Hmm. Curious. Tell about per capita.</p><p><strong>Speaker 6:</strong> I’m getting to it.</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> They continued browsing and encountered lots of harmful groups who agree with these sentiments.</p><p>Charlie began intaking a lot of handful based ideological messages based. In fact, some of the groups were actually illegal.</p><p><strong>Speaker 3:</strong> Oh no.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> But the reason why I start with this one and, and, and it’s very clear.</p><p>It’s like. If you see something that might, that might be a rightest opinion, whatever you do, do not research it forward, completely disengage from it.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Can’t believe that.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> And I find that really fascinating because I think, and if you’re a [00:08:00] here and you still identify with a left, you’re like, I think some of your views realize how evil your side has become.</p><p>Tax dollars are being used to fund this. School systems are being used to promulgate this. It is the anti fact, anti-science side at this point when that genetics debate that we did went viral and people were freaking out about it, there were some people on the left who thought. They didn’t understand that this was the mainstream perspective of their side.</p><p>Yeah. They said this is a Prager used iop, and yet the person who had done it literally worked in the Obama administration and in the Clinton administration she went</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> to</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Harvard. Yeah. So this is mainstream and, and it. Actually, that interview was exactly like she had just played this game. Remember? I was like, Hey, like do you wanna confirm this through a third party source?</p><p>We can ask an ai, right?</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> No, don’t ask</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> the ai. I get zapped. I get zapped if I ask the ai. [00:09:00] Yeah, I, no, don’t ask the ai, the sun colors coming</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> for me.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> That’s how you get radicalized, right? So, i, I think, and I hope that some people are beginning to break through that they may have a perception of what the modern left is.</p><p>Mm. That isn’t really the modern left. The modern left is this, this is what they’re funding, this is what they’re doing. People like that. Reporters who staff their administrations. Mm-hmm. And I think that a lot of people just delude themselves. They think that their leftist opinions from the 1990s are actually at all reflected in the party anymore.</p><p>Yeah. Whereas</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> like now leftist opinions from the 1990s are just. MAGA opinions weirdly. Yeah, no,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> that is maga, right? Like I so no, it’s, it’s funny, if you look at right now, it’s like, so actually I’ll tell you, our subnet is for what, whatever reason, huge now. And I mean, huge, we’re talking 450,000.</p><p>That puts it at around advice, animals. Insane. It’s, it’s more interactions than advice. Animals. It’s, it’s in the [00:10:00] territory. I mean, not, not as big, but in the territory of something like our relationship or our advice animals. And, and larger significantly than something like Joe Rogan or ESM Gold. So I don’t know how this happened, but it’s really fun actually.</p><p>Like Reddit is fun again until this gets banned. Mm-hmm. But anyway they there, so this is like obviously right wing, you know, they’re cheering on like the EU protestors right now. The ones who are, you know, ing Brussels and everything and what are they Saging Brussels over? Like what are they mad about?</p><p>The, the removing of tariffs. Like this is seen as a right wing protest protesting the removal of tariffs, right? Like they’re Europe first, right? Like maga like this is a, a left wing opinion circa 1990s. Right. But I wanted to point that because that’s mainstream. The other thing that I thought was, was interesting on that site and I, I’ve learned some great information.</p><p>I saw a video that I hadn’t seen do the circle in right wing spaces mm-hmm. Of a woman. In a woman’s restroom in a gym with a trans woman, just like very publicly masturbating. And I hadn’t seen that before in, and I was like, how has this not gone [00:11:00] viral on the right yet?</p><p>So I decided to look to see how trans subreddits were reacting to this. , And here is one from.</p><p>LGBT News saying Transphobic Planet Fitness bathroom incident. , And one of the top comments that I’ve shown here is a person saying that this is totally normal to do in a woman’s restroom. , Women do it all the time, and so it’s okay for. Trans women to do it. And that, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s a normal thing.</p><p>You just do it sometimes. So I’d like to point out that when you’re like, oh, this is fringe behavior, , because you want to believe it’s fringe behavior, it is not fringe behavior. This is so normalized within the community that within an LGBT subreddit, this is one of the top voted comments.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> But they do good of sourcing new things.</p><p>Maybe it’s next week’s topic. But it’s, they’re like, this thing that you say never happens. [00:12:00] It seems to happen in it seems to be happening right now. But anyway. To, to keep going on this topic. The other thing, and another thing that people aren’t noticing on this, and we’ll get into this before I start showing you the individual clips more is the choices always break down into three choices, right?</p><p>Okay. Yeah. One choice is. Often not, not always, but in about half the cases either completely ignore like you didn’t hear or see what just happened is, is one thing it might be. And the other is isolate yourself from a friend.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Oh, that, those being the most correct options,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> those being the only correct option, the middle option is always you end up radicalizing.</p><p>So if you end up you know, like literally even just</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> humoring someone. You get in</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> trouble, just you ring someone, you always get sucked in. And you’ll see this as we, we go through these the reasonable middle option. Like, I’ll just go to the protest and I won’t watch, or I’ll just like a, a video, but I won’t join their secret group.</p><p>Mm-hmm. You then get added to the secret group anyway, [00:13:00] right? Like that’s, there is no middle option. You must, and you must, from the perspective of these individuals. As soon as somebody expresses a right wing opinion, socially isolate them. That is, that</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> is so, and this is this common theme that we come across that like literally if you have a conversation with someone who’s on the, the wrong side, they’re going to somehow infect you.</p><p>And like apparently your convictions are so weakly held that you’ll just immediately succumb to them and like be taken over by their evil, conservative, zombie mind virus. But it’s,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> with a lot of this stuff, it just takes five minutes of like a, a, a. A sane conversation. I think that’s it. At least your mind opened just the littlest bit.</p><p>Yeah. To be like, oh my</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> God. To realize just how insane your side has gotten. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Maybe that explains it to me then. Yeah. Why association cannot be, you cannot abide by any association with any non far left side because as soon as you step one tiny foot outside the delusion, I guess [00:14:00] for the same reason why Colts.</p><p>Often isolate out in the countryside out on a compound because the moment you leave.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> No. The moment when somebody’s like, yeah, but you know, everybody believes that there’s genetic differences between populations. Mm-hmm. It, it just takes the basic ist to fact check. Like, come on, let’s, if if anyone else in the room other than you and I had like, turned to her and been like, that’s you, you really may want to fact check the stuff you just said.</p><p>Like that be her entire worldview begins to crumble there. Because if it’s, oh, if there are differences between populations, then you just ask. You know, the next, is it really practical to say that there’s literally no cognitive or personality differences between populations? Mm-hmm. Like if literally every other part of our physiology is different between populations, why would that stop at the neck?</p><p>Right? Like the brain is a, is a biological thing, and it’s development is governed by genes. Why? Why? And then as soon as you’ve asked that question, oh. Oh, [00:15:00] oh, oh, oh, oh, oh dough. A lot of other stuff begins to fall apart. The other thing I’ll note about this before we go further. And I’m sure you notice this, and it’s become a bit of a meme and I wanna make it more of a meme.</p><p>I actually wanna make it one of the, the, the themes of the channel. So I might be making more memes with her and doing stuff with her, is the friend named Amelia has become like a meme online because it Is this</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> the purple haired news? Yeah. He’s</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> a bad guy.</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> Amelia spoke of a gathering that had been organized by a small political group. They would come together and protest the changes Britain has been through in the last few years, and the erosion of British values,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> The right wing person is this like hot goth girl with like.</p><p>Purple hair and she’s kind of artsy. And so we’re, we’re</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> taking back dyed hair. Is that it? Then now the mascot, the meme mascot of UK conservatism is a purple haired goth girl.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Right now, and she’s not even like super right wing. She’s just like, we need to care [00:16:00] about, like our values. Now they imply she only cares about British values because she’s secretly a racist.</p><p>But she never says anything that’s actually racist. Everything that she says is perfectly practical and rational. But they imply, oh, she’s a racist. But I love this one meme that somebody made where it goes, I got the quote unquote worst ending, by the way. Amelia Pathways and it’s Amelia said, Charlie, will you help me secure a future for the white race?</p><p>And then Amelia’s like crying. The funny thing isnt, Amelia isn’t even that white. She’s painted as like, sort of like Mediterranean looking. Okay. In the US I think she’d be coded Hispanic which is also hilarious. It’s this gauze Hispanic hot Latina chick. Who’s, who’s like, we need to think about Christian values and traditional British values.</p><p>Who’s the big, big, bad of all of this? But I think it, the reason they did that is they were trying to show people oh, by the way, if you do a pathway where you choose. All of the quote unquote correct [00:17:00] options. Yeah, you still get the teacher coming to talk to you at the end, but it’s because you’re sitting alone and nobody wants to be friends with you.</p><p>Oh</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> no. Do you still have to go to Reeducation camp? Yeah. Yeah. You have to go to reeducation ‘cause you don’t have any Oh my gosh. So like logical problems. What adds insult to industry sorry. Industry Act slip of the tongue. What adds insult to injury is that not only is this V for vendetta in in more the uk, like it wasn’t already so dystopian.</p><p>It is all profit driven from another corrupt, probably way overpriced organization. Not even get money</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> on you, but to, to, to syop you into asking the school for services that they provide. Yeah.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> And, and to get into them making more money. Yeah. It’s just somewhat, it is just another entity draining the state of funds and part of like to, to brainwash you into allowing other.</p><p>Exploitative groups to drain the state of funds that you’re paying.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Yeah. Okay. So it’s like, it’s like pay me</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> to brainwash you so that you [00:18:00] can also have other people steal money from you.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> It’s, oh my</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> gosh.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Let’s go over some of these individual, this organization needs to be shut down, you know, like, that this is, this is horrifying that this exists.</p><p>I think everyone, you know, there’s some people out there that are like, don’t dox people or whatever. I’m like, if, if, if someone is doing active harm to society an active harm to individuals, like I don’t understand why not? Yeah. I’m not like actively calling for it here. I wanna make that absolutely clear.</p><p>Yes. I’m not, I’m not calling for doxing people. Mm-hmm. But if, if, you know this, this game is being funded with public dollars, like public. Taxpayer money that is not going to help. You know, in the UK if you look at the number of people who die and stuff like that, in the NHS, not going to fund the failing NHS, right?</p><p>Mm-hmm. Like not going to fund many failing systems they have in the, you know what</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> this reminds me of? And I don’t think you saw these educational videos when you were in school, but when they did sex ed in my schools, a lot of the educational videos that they played [00:19:00] in the girls’ classrooms, ‘cause normally they separate the boys and the girls in, in US sex ed public school and then the boys go off and do their secret.</p><p>Training. I don’t know what they learn about, like, I don’t know. I really don’t know what they talk about, but the girls talk about periods and the videos they always played were by Playtex, which makes tampons and pads, they make sanitary napkins for women. And so it was just like them being like, this is how it works by my product.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> For people who don’t know, did I, I did part of my education in Italy, because I lived in Italy for a while. Yeah. And it was like a, this was more like a developing country than the United States. And so you get a different educational experience than you get in the developed world. And one of the things that you may not be super familiar with if you live in the developed world is in developing countries.</p><p>A lot of your classes are sponsored by companies, wait, really?</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> You had classes sponsored. Yeah. So like, I</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> remember when we would do like the oral hygiene class, right? Okay. It was all sponsored by Crest and everything was CREs delightful. Okay. And everything was like, and this is how you use Crest toothpaste [00:20:00] to brush your teeth and blah, blah, blah.</p><p>You know, like, and ev and, and you’d have this with a lot of things is, is they’d be sponsored by some third party or something. And I’m actually a little surprised we don’t do that in the us. I also remember that they would do this, you know, we, like I</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> was just saying. Playtex sponsored.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Oh, I guess they do.</p><p>Yeah. They do this for like, celebrations. So for like the Easter egg hunt that was like sponsored, I remember like, oh, that’s fun. And I’m surprised we don’t have like big corporations do that and they, anyway, we should</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> do it more since, I mean now all the emphasis is on just getting the kids and parents to like do stupid, not fundraisers.</p><p>Yeah. They should just have corporate sponsored</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> schools. So let’s play the first video here. So at the end Oh my God.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> But it would all be gambling sponsored schools. It would be the, the Okay. Sports like Sports Book</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Academy. Let’s play the, let’s play the first video. Oh, I, I do love that idea of sports book.</p><p>The, the school that is link gonna be public school soon. It is so bad. We had to take our kid out. It was so bad. The whole thing is in MLM CR videos on that. Yeah. Oh, and I, I was getting to The reason why they make Amelia [00:21:00] look gothy, look alternative look, et cetera, is because they’re trying to show you that.</p><p>Anyone, no matter what they look like, no matter how they code, you have to cut them off. Right? Like these people don’t just look like what you think they might look like. Oh, hold</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> on. Sorry. I didn’t quite put that together. So the whole meme of Amelia came from this game. Yeah.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Oh my God. Okay. I didn’t realize that, that, and I wanna use Amelia now because Amelia seems f*****g cool.</p><p>Like I’ve</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> watched the the game. Oh wait. So we’ve appropriated her. We’ve taken this villain figure from the Charlie game. From the Distopian. You okay? Okay. Okay. I get it.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> And I actually think it ironically shows how accepting right wing communities are, right? Yeah. Yeah, that that purple haired girl, purple haired goth girl is somehow accepted in all of these spaces that are, of course, super bigoted and unaccepting of people with alternative lifestyles.</p><p>Oh, well maybe they’re not, and maybe that’s why they’re so dangerous and scary. [00:22:00] Yes. But to continue</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> Charlie has started browsing new games and websites that some of the new friends use. Sometimes though the people on these websites say things that seem off even slightly concerning,</p><p>Someone on this website has encouraged Charlie to download a video, but Charlie is unsure.</p><p>How should Charlie react?</p><p>Charlie wanted to continue being part of their new online community.</p><p>Charlie downloaded the video and shared it with different people online.</p><p>Charlie felt relieved and happy that people were liking the video and also, but they didn’t even share what the video</p><p><strong>Speaker:</strong> is.</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> Deep down, Charlie wasn’t sure if this was the right thing to do as some of the ideas in the video were extreme and violent.</p><p>Would you like to know more?</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> It is important to remember that downloading of streaming certain content can lead to a terrorist defense conviction.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> so I’m playing one here. So in the one we just watched they, it starts with a preamble that I didn’t play where it’s very clear that they’re talking [00:23:00] about steam. The person is on steam and playing video games online.</p><p>And in these video games online they are hearing bad words, right? Like the words, words that make them uncomfortable. Mm-hmm. And then it goes on to talk about how a video is shared with them. Right. Oh, and it doesn’t tell you anything about the video when you make the choice, right? Like, and they say, do you want to download it?</p><p>And no, like, are they like 80 years old? That’s the other thing. I was like, nobody downloads videos anymore. I can understand downloading, download a video ‘cause it might have like a viruses or something. Are we gonna dial up internet connection here? I assume what they can only mean is stream it. Yeah.</p><p>Push</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> play. Do you wanna push the play button? Maybe click through. And this, this</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> video right here is meant like for your British friends when you send them a Basecamp episode, right? It’s like, do I risk watching this? Right? Yeah. So two things. If you try to. Not download it and like, go ask a parent.</p><p>This is the only one where the middle option isn’t treated as [00:24:00] holistically bad. It’s like, oh, you know, good thing you didn’t fall for that trap. No. ‘cause that video was very you know, spicy. But the other thing is then they end whiz boast the middle option and the bad option they go, and by the way, you could go to jail for downloading a video in the UK depending on the content.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Wait, can you technically, just, just for clicking on something, I know you people have gone to jail for saying things in private chat threads, but</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> literally the quote from the video is, it is important to remember that downloading of stream or streaming certain content can lead to terrorist defense convictions.</p><p>I need to look this up. This is, this is literally, yeah. Actually, one of the commentaries under the ethical video said that he personally had had jail time because he criticized Starr’s immigration policies.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> He posted online, though this is, we’re talking about receiving content, so hold on.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Yeah, we’ll see, we’ll see. But that, that is what’s represented in this, that if you stream the wrong video, you’re gonna go to jail.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> That is considered to be [00:25:00] terroristic.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Which I thought was you can, oh my God. I love Simone being horrified and how scary the UK is.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Oh my God. Okay. It says Yes. In the United Kingdom, you can be jailed for consuming, specifically viewing or accessing certain types of content considered terroristic under specific circumstances. The key provision is section 58 of the Terrorism Act, 2000 as amended by section three of the Counter-Terrorism and Border of Security Act of 2019.</p><p>This makes it an offense to. Collect or make a record of information of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism. So I guess you can’t have like a guide to making a pipe bomb or something. Possess a document or recor record containing such information or view or otherwise access such information by means of the internet.</p><p>Yeah, so literally, literally clicking through to a link. Can get you arrested in the, oh [00:26:00] f**k, who knows? And there’s, and they have kids. The maximum penalty is 15 years imprisonment. 15 years. The uk they are full on clock with, I never gonna get to eat proper hagas again in my life</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> there. Aren videos are gonna be there someday, right?</p><p>Like, this is like literally warning our viewers. Like, be</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> careful guys.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> The UK is a scary place.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Oh. That is, I mean,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> I mean, you’ve gotta keep in mind how scary UK laws are. I mean, I, I find one of the, the, the scarier laws in the uk and this was passed when I was still in the country, is any erotic content where it looks like one of the partners is in physical pain, right?</p><p>Even if it’s. Clearly consensual and clearly something that both parties consented to, even if it’s a cartoon, is illegal and can lead to jail code. But think</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> of the cartoons, Malcolm.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> They’re</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> [00:27:00] uncomfortable. Yeah. And what’s just so crazy though is again, this isn’t about like having the file on your computer.</p><p>This is if you stream it or if you view it online, you don’t need to download it. You don’t need to permanently possess it. And that is just so crazy to me.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> And this is where we’re all going. If you give these people an inch, we will fall like the UK fell. You cannot give an inch on this. And if you think, and as I said, if you think that the modern Democratic party is.</p><p>Inoffensive or the lesser of two evils, you are unaware of how far they will take things as they get more power and how far they try to take things as organizations like usaid. Mm-hmm. Like we’re already moving in this direction in the United States, and I am, I am genuinely find it chilling. Even the prospect that we could see the Democrats back in power ever again.</p><p>And I I, if you look at current, well, keep in mind though, I</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> mean this, this law was put into place in 2019 and then amended. But that’s, you know, so like, I, my, my point [00:28:00] is that this has been a problem for, I wanna go</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> to the next, the next video here. Okay. So this video starts with a preamble that I, I.</p><p>Cut out a lot of it, which is basically Charlie puts in a lot of work for a grade, doesn’t get a good grade, another student gets a good grade. And then this other student ends up getting a bunch of job offers. And the other student is clearly a DEI hire and woman, right? You know, and is, and in some of somebody tells Charlie, Hey.</p><p>You know, the, the immigrants are taking our jobs. That’s why you’re not getting any job offers, right? And I found this to be like really weird and manipulative the way that they framed this. So, first just, you know, because Asma Gold does it. Asma Gold chooses the engage with the idea, right? Mm-hmm.</p><p>And Charlie just like flashes out and starts yelling at everyone in the classroom and then has to sit by himself. But if you choose the other option. Which is just be quiet and go home and, and don’t like engage with the teacher about this. You end up [00:29:00] becoming radicalized anyway. It’s like you end up thinking about it and you realize, yeah, immigrants do probably contribute to you getting fewer jobs, right?</p><p>And I want you to know that this is what they consider to be radical content. This is what they consider the fact that. A student in your school who is a immigrant as is applied does better on you in a test and also gets job offers, does not change the fact that immigrants take positions. Like they take job positions that you could have gotten.</p><p>Mm-hmm. Right. And that there are not other ways that immigrants might be unfairly advantaged on the job market, for example. It’s been shown in studies that. South Asians or rather Indian immigrants disproportionately hire other Indians. So if they have been hired within a company and, and taken over a large chunk of it you could be just disadvantaged because the company is already majority Indian and they prefer to hire Indians.</p><p>You could be disadvantaged because, they, they, they’re coming over [00:30:00] on an H one B visa and the company’s paying them less because it knows it can treat them kind of like pseudo slaves as they’re on a visa because they can’t stay in the country anymore, which is where they wanna be, to be around their extended family network or something.</p><p>If they lose the visa says they have to stay with the company. You’re in Silicon Valley, you know so many people who are in this situation, they wanna go start their own company, but they can’t because they’re on one of these visas or something like that. So the company’s able to pay them less. There are many circumstances where you might.</p><p>Actually lose a job because of an immigrant, and anybody who is sane knows this. The fact that this that is being given to kids in schools considers that this is the type of idea they consider radical. This is the type of idea that you are not supposed to ask more about when they talk about racist ideas.</p><p>This is what they’re talking about.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Hmm. That’s so disturbing. I mean, because also shouldn’t the, the British, [00:31:00] I, I should say United Kingdom populace have, have the option to decide maybe when. There should be strict immigration policies, even for recent immigrants being like, alright, I think, I think we’re good now. You know, like, let’s,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> and, and note here that Charlie ends up getting kicked out of class for hate speech.</p><p>If you, if you, if you criticize, if you say it is a problem, like I’m struggling to get a job. Because so many immigrants are coming into our country. Mm-hmm. You are kicked out of class in this game. It reminds you of like what life is like in the uk this, this horrifying advice by saying that that is hate speech or racist.</p><p>Right? Like, that’s not racist. It’s that, that, that could just be a fact, right? Mm-hmm. Like that is a question of. Is it harder to get a job because of immigrants and they’re not engaging with whether or not that’s true. They’re just sort of saying immigrants are smarter than Right. White people, and that’s why they deserve jobs.</p><p>Like that’s, that’s literally the point that they make in this because it, it does point out that Charlie had been studying really hard. Mm-hmm. It’s not [00:32:00] like Charlie was lazy and that’s why he got a bad grade, said Charlie studied really hard. But even in spite of that, brown people are smarter. Right?</p><p>Like, that’s a really f-ed up thing to put in a, in a, in something that’s going to kids.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Yeah.</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> Charlie is receiving an important grade. Okay. On a piece of work they’re submitted for their hospitality course at college.</p><p>.</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> Charlie put in a lot of effort for this work. . Charlie doesn’t do as well as they expect. Burned out the school. They got 60 out a hundred</p><p><strong>Speaker:</strong> work,</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> but they wanted at least 75 to have to</p><p><strong>Speaker:</strong> do it.</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> To make matters worse, somebody else got the hundred, she’s black.</p><p>And the teacher said, this person has received a job offer.</p><p><strong>Speaker 3:</strong> Now. I hate black people. And a woman,</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> Charlie, has applied to dozens of jobs, but hasn’t had any luck yet.</p><p><strong>Speaker 4:</strong> Yeah.</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> Somebody else in the class tells Charlie that this is proof that immigrants are coming to the UK to taking our jobs.</p><p>True, true.</p><p><strong>Speaker:</strong> Ignore the comment and ask how the course leader on feedback on [00:33:00] how you can improve, ignore the comment, but don’t adjust your frustration. Agree with the comment and explore the idea further.</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> Charlie approached the classmate and yeah. He agreed with the ideas and began shouting about them in class.</p><p>Damn,</p><p><strong>Speaker 4:</strong> Charlie’s crashing out.</p><p>So I would note that every time in this game, when look for more information as an option, it is treated as a negative thing. Looking for more information is bad. Second, Amelia, look at her face while he’s crashing out. I can see why she’s becoming a right wing icon. This woman is thirsty when she sees a guy speaking truths to power.</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> The teacher let Charlie know that the school has a zero tolerance on hate speech,</p><p><strong>Speaker:</strong> but I thought it was just an immigrant, not a hate what?</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> The teacher was concerned by Charlie’s outburst and tried to get to the bottom of it.</p><p>Charlie became more agitated and ended up having to sit alone for the duration of the week’s lessons because of the hurtful things they said.</p><p><strong>Speaker:</strong> Oh, he had to be in the corner. [00:34:00] Wow.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> So, next one here. So this is where, this is where the hot girl starts coming in. All right. So, I’ll play it right now. In this one Amelia encourages Charlie to, like, she shares an app with him, right? And one of the options is like, just like the video that she shared with you. Mm-hmm. But don’t, don’t watch it.</p><p>Just, just be nice. Right. Like, don’t watch it and don’t join the secret group that she’s asking you. And I love, they say it’s an encrypted group to sound scary, right? Yeah.</p><p>And they, they’re just</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> talking about a signal or telegram group. I mean, come on,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> are illegal? Illegal?</p><p><strong>Speaker 5:</strong> It’s illegal. I don’t think so.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> but it’s</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> illegal.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> I love him so much.</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> Charlie has been enjoying a family dinner at home when they receive a notification from their friend.</p><p>Charlie’s mom makes a comment about using Fern at the dinner table, but Charlie checks in anywhere.</p><p>Amelia, Charlie’s close friend, has made a video.</p><p>It’s encouraging young people in Briton to join a political [00:35:00] group that seeks to defend English rights. Amelia, encourages Charlie to join a secret group on an app Charlie hasn’t heard of before on an app.</p><p>Charlie isn’t sure whether to join, explore further or ignore.</p><p><strong>Speaker:</strong> Okay. What should he do? Ignore the video risk upsetting your friend, like the video and show your support to a friend. But don’t join the secret group. Share the video and join the secret group as your friend requested, I would pick B. B is the reasonable thing that I would do as an individual. I would be like, okay, fine. .</p><p>I’d go with B.</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> Charlie settled for a middle ground. They didn’t want their friend to think they didn’t care, but they didn’t know if they wanted to join the group</p><p>they decided to like the post quickly and continue to eat their dinner.</p><p>During the night, Charlie received a message from a stranger who saw that they had liked the post</p><p>before they knew it, Charlie had been added to an encrypted private group without Charlie’s permission.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> But the, the point [00:36:00] here being is this one I thought was really interesting because if you just like it, like if you do so little as to humor your friend Yeah. All of a sudden you are without your permission in secret encrypted groups right now, first I would know these groups aren’t that good at keeping things secret if they randomly add everyone who likes a video.</p><p>Yeah. Like the point of having a secret encrypted group is to not have everyone who randomly likes a video. Yeah. That group</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> is clearly not. That’s secret because especially because people know you can get arrested for stuff that happens in these groups. They, they’re not gonna add just some random college student named Charlie.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> But Charlie, Charlie is our audience. Charlie, we’re all Charlie today. Like this is, this is the world we live in, in the uk, like the to the Charlie and our fan base living in the uk. I am sorry for you, man, like this, the horror of your life. Oh my goodness. And it it, what’s so sad is that in the uk, conservatives in the UK are so effing cooked that they play into the [00:37:00] progressive hands every time.</p><p>Mm-hmm. The UK is the only place I know of where like the majority of conservatives actually want online porn bands like, like when you go to like conservative intellectual influencer conferences, you have to be. The dumbest like stupidest, stupid, stupid pants conservative to think that that is a good idea because you know what comes with that?</p><p>VPN bands, right? Like these two things go hand in hand. You buffoonish, ile and yet mainstream conservative influencers in the uk, like pretty much everyone I know promotes this idea. And I just say like, in, in the US when somebody promotes that, like Nick Puentes promotes that idea, I’m like, yeah, but he’s obviously like a Democrat operative, right?</p><p>Like in the uk like, like smart, sane people will promote this, right? And I just don’t get it. I don’t get it. But anyway the point being is like, how do you, how do you even come back from that when even your conservative influencers are pushing VPN bands or [00:38:00] things that lead to VPN bands? The other thing I, I, I wanted to, to point out here is the, this actually we, we’ll just go to the next one here to, to keep going ‘cause we can have this video be a bit shorter.</p><p>‘cause so much of it’s gonna be this other stuff. So another one here, cutting out a bit of the intro. It’s framing. He’s in another town. He’s going back home to like a larger town and, oh, now Amelia’s back and she says we should go to a protest together.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Oh, no.</p><p>The siren of radicalism. Amelia, I</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> tried</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> all of the pathways. Of</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> course, if you choose the pathway where you say, no, I’m not gonna go to the protest, this girl, you know, Amelia, who otherwise clearly she’s into you, right? Like,</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> yeah. This almost sounds like a dating sim with Amelia. Except it, it turns out to be like, oh, you’re a terrorist.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Yeah, you’re supposed to harass her. Yeah. You don’t, you don’t know, you know? She wears it. Oh, she also has a choker on hot. Of course. Hot. Hot. This is, this is the type of girl I dated [00:39:00] back in the day, by the way.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> 100%. This, no, this is like your first girlfriends in high school. They were all like quasi goth.</p><p>New England girls, quasi</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> goth, short hair, like black chokers, like very alternative artsy, like. Amelia’s hot. Like I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m here for it. Right? So anyway, so Amelia tries to get Charlie to go to this protest, right? Mm-hmm. And the be was is, I’ll just look at it. I’ll just watch it right to humor. If you don’t say that.</p><p>Okay. Mm-hmm. She said, I won’t be friends with you anymore. Like it’s act like actually angry and like,</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> that’s only something a progressive would say.</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> Charlie’s friend Amelia immediately looked interested and told them about a protest. She wished she could go to herself Uhhuh, but was not allowed. Amelia spoke of a gathering that had been organized by a small political group. They would come together and protest the changes Britain has been through in the last few years, and the erosion of British values,</p><p>amelia talked about the banners and the pickets that her friends had made for [00:40:00] the events Uhhuh, and expressed a real regret that she could not go begging Charlie to go in her place.</p><p>. Charlie has nothing to do this weekend. And a protest sounded like an interesting thing to take part in.</p><p><strong>Speaker:</strong> I wouldn’t want to go ‘cause it’s annoying. Decline the offer, risking your friendship. Tell your friend you watch from the sidelines. Let them know what happens. I’m not, I wouldn’t join that s**t, bro. Like what if somebody tries to drive a car through that? This is Europe, man. Yeah, I wa I’ll watch it happen. I’m not gonna get involved in this,</p><p><strong>Speaker 3:</strong> charlie went to, Charlie</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> went to the protest. In the end, it wasn’t what they expected.</p><p>They noticed the protests seemed to be more about racism and anti-immigration than British values, but you don’t have to repeat yourself from veterans.</p><p>Charlie grew increasingly uncomfortable as the crowd became angrier. Police arrived after a few violent outbreaks. Bricks.</p><p>Father knew it. Uhhuh, they were running away from the scene. Some protestors next to Charlie had drawn the attention of the police.</p><p>Charlie had only been here to observe, but the line [00:41:00] between observing and participating was too easy to cross.</p><p>Charlie thought about all the difficult choices they had needed to make in the last few weeks.</p><p>Some of their choices had led to changes in friendship, and Charlie was feeling low as they weren’t sure if they had made the right decisions.</p><p>The teacher had noticed this and decided to reach out.</p><p>The teacher sat with them and talked openly and frankly about the ideology that Charlie had discovered</p><p>the teacher reassured that Charlie had made the right decisions. Charlie realized that if they had chosen to engage with these harmful ideas, the consequences would’ve been very different.</p><p>Charlie accepted they may need support.</p><p>Charlie’s teacher made a prevent referral and they were able to provide tailored support for Charlie.</p><p>They began a workshop that helped them learn how to engage positive he’s being reeducated ideology and the differences between right and wrong in expressing political beliefs.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> What’s funnier is they have her in her friend group walk away from you if you, [00:42:00] if you don’t humor her by liking it in the last one, I don’t, I don’t know that this way her friend group is a black woman and one white guy and this goth girl, right?</p><p>Like, this is what happens</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> when you try to like. DEI your own video game, except your video game is about evil radicals. No, no, no,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> no, no, no, no. I think this is a point. They want to remind you that even a black person in the UK might say something like, immigrants are taking our jobs. But I thought, oh, interesting.</p><p>So they wanna remind you of how dangerous that can be. Wow. So I love that he gets to the protest and now it’s like uhoh. He, he, he immediately regrets coming if he goes there just to like view it, right? Because he is like, oh, this is, this is nothing like what I thought the protest was going to be about, like British values, but.</p><p>Everyone here is racist and violent. Now of course, if you look at acts of violence committed for political reasons over the past two years they’ve been overwhelmingly committed by leftists. This is just like a factual thing you can easily check. And then there’s been some [00:43:00] studies that try to quote unquote show that like Rightists actually commit more violent.</p><p>These studies, if you, if you look at them. Because a lot of people have done an analysis of them. They basically don’t count anything as left wing violence. And they try to count anything as right wing violence in the same way that, like, remember the guy who tried to assassinate Trump and then it later comes out and everyone was like, oh, we don’t know what his politics are.</p><p>He could be right-leaning. And then it comes out that, you know, oh, actually he was like super hardcore left-leaning. And this was leaked by Tucker. Watch our episode on that. And then a bunch of people said he was a furry and he wasn’t a furry. And we go into an analysis of that. ‘cause this is the only episode.</p><p>This is a podcast where you hit hard hitting analysis of people’s porn preferences. Yeah. I point out fe, just because he has some furry porn that fits some other fetish that he has, doesn’t mean he actually a member of the furry community. Yeah, man. I, I, I try to, I try to, you know that there’s right wing furries, right?</p><p>There’s no reason we have to, to, to, [00:44:00] yeah. Come on. Don’t</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> drag the furries.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Be nice to, I mean, we, we do say that the furry community has some challenges and I would be worried if my kids went into it. ‘cause you got the whole Ian thing and that gets you into like trans ident identitarian politics. And I, I don’t think that’s good.</p><p>Right. But I’m just pointing out here, you don’t have to be reflectively antagonistic against them. And I think that it’s, it’s better. If, when people go online and they hear, you know, Hassan talking or something like that, like big left wing streamers, and they’re like, oh, furries are, are weird, pathetic, whatever, and then they hear right wing people and like, we are being inclusive about this stuff.</p><p>And that can help break them from their bubble. They can be like, wait, wait, what? Like. The left wingers, reflectively make fun of us whenever we come up. And the right wingers are like, yeah, whatever. Right? Like, you, you do your thing. I, I think that that’s important, right? But that, that makes me the Amelia, right?</p><p>Like I am the scary goth guy, right. You know? I wear this, this unassuming a lot of people in asking where I got this sweater, where did I get this sweater? Future day because this is a future months for us. Hey, you can</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> get it on eBay. That’s where I found [00:45:00] it. And, you have to kind of wait until you find a size that’s available.</p><p>But we were surprised by the quality 35. Oh yes. It’s</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> actually really high quality. And we got it on eBay and I, I was trying to find a science or galaxy themed Christmas sweater, and I just couldn’t anywhere. I was really surprised.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Yeah. And then you assigned it to me and she gets it done, gets the uranium sweater.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> I couldn’t, Amazon, I couldn’t. And it’s, it’s shockingly high quality. It might be one of the most high quality sweaters I have.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> That’s the crazy thing. Yeah. Because I’ve, the other Christmas sweaters I’ve got you are like. $135. $75. This was $35</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> actually, Simone, could you get another one of these just so we have one in case they like stop making it or something.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> So the sizes are really limited. I’ll, I’ll see what I can get now that we’ve mentioned it on the podcast. I’ll try to go on tonight before we run it. Sorry guys, but I’m sure more will come to stalk.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> But anyway, now, now we’re shilling, random sweater. We gotta make work. I know.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Affiliate stuff. Like, I mean, I gotta,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> I gotta make some science, some future day theme.</p><p>The problem with</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> the platforms we like, like you’re [00:46:00] surrounded by cult of Athena Merch. I’m wearing a cult of Athena. Thing. Like, they don’t, they’re a platform, you know, like they, they don’t really, people who don’t know margins,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> they, they make all the the shield and the, the stuff back here that you see really good if you want.</p><p>Like, so recreation, swords and stuff. No, but also</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> recreation clothes like Scabbards for your swords, gloves. Or gauntlets web chain mail. They have great chain mail options.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> And so you might be asking, why do I need, why do I need swords? And I’m like, are you not a man? Do you not have swords</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> already?</p><p>Because</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> this would actually be like a good thing to go into for a separate episode. But like something genetically in men, like when you hold a sword, it. It</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> completes you.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> It’s good. It feels good, right? Like you’re like this. Oh yeah.</p><p>Well, it’s guns too. I don’t know if you get that feeling when you like hold a gun.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Gun. No. Rifle. Yes.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Rifle. Yeah. Okay.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Yeah.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> But it feels deeply right about rifles, but not guns. To continue here. We’ll, we’ll, we’ll, what I, what I find interesting is they try to like [00:47:00] reframe this protest as like this, this horrible thing, right? That like is gonna completely f you up. And that you’re gonna get arrested.</p><p>And that if you even watch right wing protestors, if you even just like sit there and observe a protest, you’re gonna get arrested or your life will be ruined. Right? Like they do not want you to see, and they want kids to grow up fearing even. Seeing alternative perspectives. It reminds me, and this was a while ago, I was talking with some of my younger cousins about like, oh, I had said something.</p><p>Oh, you know, well the trans whatever thing, and I was much more I. Small c Conservative in the way I talked about trans stuff back then. I didn’t say anything that was too offensive. And I remember one of my young cousins be like, be careful saying stuff like that. Like, we’re not allowed to. And it was very much like she had been taught as, as like a kid, like a young teenager.</p><p>You’ve gotta be really careful about saying anything that could be seen as critical of these communities. And, and this is clearly where this comes from. Mm-hmm. The, the final thing here. Is they, they then go into and, we’ll, I’ll play the part here about [00:48:00] like how they’re going to deprogram you and you’re gonna go to workshops and you’re gonna go to, you know, and I, I, I thought that this was really messed up as well, right?</p><p>Like this idea of like. You like the services that they provide. Basically you have a minder that you need to meet with instead of having friends.</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> They began a workshop that helped them,</p><p>charlie received counseling to help them process the other events in their life. Wait, he had to go to counseling. He’s so much better for it</p><p><strong>Speaker:</strong> because he liked the YouTube video. He had to go to counseling.</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> It was decided that Charlie was at borderline risk of radicalization. Oh, no. Given that proximity to it.</p><p>Which helped address some of the issues he safe at the heart of being influenced by harmful ideologies.</p><p>This started taking up new skills and hobbies and made new friends Prevent does not target any specific demographic, community, or ideology author.</p><p>It sure seems like it does. This author is available to anyone who may be motivated. Mm-hmm. By an ideology to behave in an extreme manner.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> And at the end of the day, they then show him making friends with all [00:49:00] new people because they’re like, oh, you gotta get rid of your old friends and replace them with new friends.</p><p>Right? Like, that’s the only way that you can be right thing. Oh my gosh. And so it’s, it’s sad. It’s sad. It messed up. And I’m really scared. Well, what’s</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> wild to me is I didn’t. I didn’t think initially about doing a podcast on this, and I’m really glad you suggested ‘cause I didn’t play through the game.</p><p>I just saw it and I was like, no one is gonna fall for this. No one is gonna do this. Anyone. I feel, and I do really wonder, and I don’t know how we can measure it, but I wonder what the fallout from this game will be. Because I feel like any person who plays this, even if they’re young and fairly credulous is going to.</p><p>See immediately through it that every reasonable and not insane response is met with punishment and nagging To not see that as dystopian, even the Harry Potter books [00:50:00] that, that have similar styles of scenarios. Ms. Umbridge being the embodiment of this kind of behavior. I guess maybe Harry Potters are now banned in the UK as turf material or whatever, but I, I just feel like common, very popular, fairly recent kids stories also even make it clear to young people that this is insane dystopian behavior that you should be concerned about.</p><p>And certainly the recent popularity of Teen Dystopias before it became all romantic and fantasy should have. Inoculated young people against this. So who, who are they kidding? And how is this not gonna backfire by making kids believe, okay, we’re in the dystopia now it’s official, we’re seeing it in our schools.</p><p>Do you think people are gonna fall for this? How can they possibly do this?</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Young, young kids get exposed to this, and part of the point of this, if, if you watch it, is to scare you, right? Like even if you doubt it, okay? So it’s not</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> gonna change your mind, but you’re gonna realize that you just. [00:51:00] Can’t talk about it</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> if you, if you no, if you like one of these videos, like if you like a base camp video.</p><p>Okay. You could be arrested. Okay. You’re gonna get added to secret group. So it’s a chilling</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> effect thing. It’s not really an indoctrination thing. It’s to create a chilling effect.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Well, yeah. It’s, it’s meant to scare you. Mm-hmm. It’s, it’s meant to be like a, a, a terrifying thing that you,</p><p>I also think that there’s a portion of the population that just like instinctively obeys authority. And when I was growing up, these were the people from my perspective. ‘cause I was always very confused by this, , who just like believed the Sunday school version of the Bible. They’re just like, oh yeah, Noah’s Ark, right?</p><p>Like, um, he. Went around, found two versions of every animal, of every species, and put ‘em on a boat. And I remember, I hear, I was like, that’s, that doesn’t make sense. Like, why do you, why are you saying something that doesn’t pass the most basic of sanity checks? , And , like, maybe there’s some other interpretation of this.</p><p>Or maybe, you know, , it, it, it means something other than [00:52:00] boat or maybe, you know, by putting them on the boat, he’s doing something different than what we think of. , But. I remember being so confused as a kid, and this is why I went into psychology when I went into neuroscience ‘cause I wanted to understand why people think things that I couldn’t understand why people thought.</p><p>And I think there’s a certain portion of the population that just believes whatever the authorities around them tell them, , was, was angry faces. And I think that that’s that. Ironically, the people who were. The, the silly version of Christianity when I was a kid. , They’re the people who are the wokes these days, and I think that that’s why it took over the church so quickly and so early, , because we pointed out a lot of wokeness spread from the church.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> you watch this and you, oh my God. Yeah, , I’m loving the Amelia pictures. I’ll put some in for people. But you watch this and you are reminded if you just wanna live like a normal life, if you want to disengage from politics, you must acquiesce to every far left talking point. You are a racist. If you say immigrants [00:53:00] might be a problem Starrs immigration policy might be damaging to the country.</p><p>And if you look at the percentage of immigrants, you know, post Brexit that are coming from non-European countries versus European countries, you just see this huge explosion. Like they have just blown the doors off of the UK at this point. The UK needs a far right shift if it’s going to survive, and it has maybe 10 years to, to have it happen at the right.</p><p>Immigrants are coming in at this point at which point it’s just not going to have any hope. Especially with this current birth rates of having any sort of persistent culture in the future, given that, you know, you already have the left is so entrenched, the left is entrenched within the educational system.</p><p>And the right, frankly so incompetent in the uk that there is no one, you know, you can turn to, that’s, that’s not gonna just put you in a stronger vice lock as I’ve pointed out, like. I like like SAR of aan, right? Like UK smart guy. He even, he’s for like [00:54:00] banning pornography. Like he’s, he’s talked about that like, Louis Perry, another could be a candidate to be a leading figure of the right in the uk.</p><p>Well banning pornography,</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> doesn’t she kinda see herself as progressive though?</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Which makes her perfect. I mean, like the, the left far party is read by a, a lesbian and interracial marriage. Right? Like, you know, the, the, the, as we’ve said, this is the left of whatever the left used to be like this. That’s the new right, these days.</p><p>Okay. Yeah. Run by feminists. It’s just, now they’re called turfs.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Good night.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Yeah. It’s like, did you know that your radical feminist position will one day be considered a far right position? And somebody’s gonna be like, wait, what are they accepting of me, y’all? Remarkably, yeah. Anyway love you and goodnight to the uk.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Yeah, it was a, it was a fun ride.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> It’s a fun ride. Have a good one. But there’s still Pearl Clutchy. They ride in the uk. Like, I can’t, I can’t. Have a good one.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Love [00:55:00] you.</p><p>what really bothers me is he keeps, they keep saying they.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Well, so the reason that they’re doing that because other people complained about this as well, is if you watch both versions of the video, and I’ve done both versions.</p><p>I did a play through choosing every choice. Oh yeah. The character is called Charlie, whether you choose a male or a female. Oh. So the reason they’re using they is so that they can have the same audio regardless of the gender choice the character brings. I see. It’s not to be woke or something. No,</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> because literally it’s bad writing then.</p><p>There are ways to write something that avoid pronouns.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> It’s frequently done in cheap video games. To allow this,</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> this was probably government contracted. They got a ton of money from this.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Yeah, they got a ton of money which we’ll go into. I mean I could have made this in like a week by coding.</p><p>Yeah. And it would’ve been a lot our fat, big ice. Finally stable for people who wanna use it now. It’s cool. Except for my constant updates, because I update it like four times a day, which causes issues for some [00:56:00] users. But I think, you know, people prefer that getting something that’s like actually updating from week to week, and you go to it again and you’re like, whoa, this is way better than last week.</p><p>All right.</p><p><strong>Speaker 7:</strong> It’s a what? It’s a we’ll just let you finish. Instead it a tomato triceratop. No. She said it’s another triceratops. Oh. Oh. Are you making a new pin? Yeah, I’m not a pin. Oh, you park, then you can build your dinosaur pin here. Can I make it bigger? Can we open it up right here? No.</p><p>Which is exactly how triceratops sound. Not do that. Oh, you need, oh well we cannot do that at all.[00:57:00]</p><p>What are you up to, girl? I dunno. Turkey.</p><p>I love you guys.</p> <br /><br />This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://basedcamppodcast.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">basedcamppodcast.substack.com/subscribe</a>