Ep 1297 | Rebutting Ben Cremer’s Unbiblical Take on ICE

In this episode, Allie confronts the growing accusations of “Christian nationalism” against conservative Christians, especially over immigration enforcement and support for ICE, by responding directly to viral posts from progressive Christian figures like Ben Cremer and John Pavlovitz. She defines what Christian nationalism actually is (and isn’t), explains why every worldview inevitably shapes law and public policy, and lays out a biblical case for national borders, pro‑life laws, and a Christian view of government. Allie exposes how progressive Christians often conflate the kingdom of God with America, misuse “welcome the stranger” passages to justify open borders, and deploy toxic empathy and inflammatory rhetoric that unfairly paints white evangelicals as the source of America’s problems. Progressive Catholics aren't safe either, as Allie highlights Catholicism's social justice problem by examining statements by figures like Pope Leo XIV. This episode is a must‑listen for anyone wrestling with the debate over Christian nationalism, the Anti-ICE riots in Minnesota, abortion, biblical justice, and politics in the church.

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Timecodes:

(00:00) Intro

(03:30) Defining Christian Nationalism

(07:58) Faith Influencing Politics and Voting

(11:17) Immigration, ICE, and Borders

(23:27) Was Jesus an Activist?

(28:50) Christian Nationalist Panic

(37:41) Abortion & Pro‑Life Theology

(51:10) Evangelical and Catholic Debates

(59:18) Weak Pastors & Media Outrage Cycles

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