359 - John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall - Why Christianity?

This conversation is in part John Vervaeke's response to my previous video with Jordan Hall (The End of Strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnR2PYtLLnI) where we discussed Jordan's recent conversion to Christianity. John fires up some questions, and we discuss different aspects of sensemaking and religious structures to answer the question: Why Christianity?<br /><br />Original YouTube version: https://youtu.be/Vp_08T0Ucik<br /><br />REGISTER TODAY FOR OUR NEW SYMBOLIC WORLD COURSE WITH JOHN VERVAEKE: The Cognitive Science of Ritual. Live classes start on October 7th, 2024, 2-4 pm EST on the Symbolic World Circle community. This is a 6-week, 12-hour online course. All lesson recordings will be made available afterward and all materials will be provided. The final lesson will be co-hosted by Jonathan Pageau in a Q&amp;A format. All patrons at the Involved tier or higher get a 10% discount; see your unique code at the top of the course page and apply at checkout: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/the-cognitive-science-of-ritual<br />Join Jonathan Pageau, Jordan Hall, John Heers, and others in Florida for an exclusive, intimate weekend filled with leisure and hospitality. This November event is a fundraiser for First Things Foundation. Learn more: https://first-things.org/aot <br /><br />💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com<br />🔒 BECOME A PATRON: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe<br /><br />Timestamps:<br />00:00 - Coming up<br />01:42 - Intro music<br />02:07 - Introduction<br />05:07 - John's pov on Jonathan and Jordan's conversation<br />08:49 - Why Christian faith?<br />15:38 - Jordan's answer: the Ultimate Map<br />18:27 - The current dialogos<br />21:10 - Jonathan: The Christian Escatological map<br />25:52 - Jordan: Relationship to Jesus<br />32:20 - Grief and the qualities of love<br />37:40 - Jonathan: Particularity beyond duality<br />41:43 - Jordan: A deeper capacity to suffer<br />44:49 - John: Being is good / Not escape<br />46:54 - Jonathan: Theosis<br />49:25 - What if this is a crypto-egoism?<br />55:26 - Is this the grounding of your Christian faith?<br />01:01:29 - Zen: Does the infinite love you?<br />01:11:39 - Intimacy<br />01:22:18 - We can't be meta<br />01:27:47 - Universalism<br />01:29:01 - We each have our callings<br />01:30:21 - John and Christianity<br /><br />Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ <br />My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.