BOB CARR on Diplomacy, Statesmanship and Grief

<p>Even if you're not Australian, you want to listen to this conversation with one of the nation's most iconic statesmen.</p> <p>Bob Carr is a former foreign minister of Australia (i.e. the secretary of state) and, before that, the longest-continuously-serving Premier of NSW, Australia's most populous state. He's an intellectual powerhouse, an icolonoclast, a champion debater, a student of American history, of geopolitics and of diplomacy.</p> <p>For the first portion of this conversation, he and Josh discuss Australian issues - nuclear submarines, his tenure as state leader. But the second half is a delightful rumination on power, Trump, the liberal world order, China, success, legacy, and grief.</p> <p><strong>Watch this conversation on</strong> <a href="http://youtube.com/@JoshSzeps_"><strong>YouTube</strong></a><strong>. And you&rsquo;re missing out on our best ad-free content if you haven&rsquo;t popped over to the</strong> <a href="https://uncomfortableconversations.substack.com/subscribe"><strong>Uncomfy Convos Substack</strong></a> <strong>page.</strong></p> <p><a href="http://twitter.com/joshzepps">http://twitter.com/joshzepps</a></p> <p><a href="http://instagram.com/joshszeps/">http://instagram.com/joshszeps/</a></p> <p><a href="http://tiktok.com/@uncomfyconversations">http://tiktok.com/@uncomfyconversations</a></p> <p>&nbsp;</p>