The Epistemology of UFOs & Lab Leaks | Michael Shellenberger & Peter Boghossian

<p>Michael Shellenberger appreciates the challenge skeptics offer regarding the existence of UFOs (also termed UAPs, "Unexplained Aerial Phenomena"). Skeptics, true believers, and everyone in between have taken note of Michael's <a href="https://public.substack.com/p/us-has-12-or-more-alien-space-craft?utm_source=%2Fsearch%2Falien&amp;utm_medium=reader2"> reporting</a> on the topic. In this conversation with Peter Boghossian, Michael explains his level of confidence about visitations by non-terrestrial spacecraft. (Peter says the verified discovery of alien spacecraft would be a revolution comparable to humanity's domestication of fire—and he wants it to be true but requires evidence.)</p> <p>Peter and Michael also discuss a more down-to-earth possible cover-up regarding the source of COVID-19. They explore free speech, censorship for adults vs. children, the Orwellian "Institute for Strategic Dialogue," levels of societal hate, "crazy-making," the attitudinal disposition to the truth as a basis of friendship, their friendship, and much more.<br /> <br /> Michael Shellenberger is an author, investigative journalist, and the founder & president of <a href="https://environmentalprogress.org/">Environmental Progress</a>, a nonprofit research organization. He also co-founded the California Peace Coalition, an alliance of parents of children killed by fentanyl and parents of homeless addicts. Michael is the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Break-Through-Environmentalism-Politics-Possibility/dp/1433204274"> Break Through: From the Death of Environmentalism to the Politics of Possibility</a> (with Ted Nordhaus), <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Apocalypse-Never-Environmental-Alarmism-Hurts/dp/0063001691/"> Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All</a>, and most recently, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/San-Fransicko-Progressives-Ruin-Cities/dp/0063093626/"> San Fransicko: Why Progressives Ruin Cities</a>. He also coauthored <a href="http://www.ecomodernism.org/">An EcoModernist Manifesto</a>.<br /> Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/shellenberger">@shellenberger</a><br /> <br /> <em>Skeptic Michael Shermer also spoke with Michael Shellenberger about his reporting on alien spacecraft.  Next week, we'll hear Peter's interview with Shermer!<br /> <br /></em> <a href="https://youtu.be/fB7fpitQzzM"><b>Watch this episode on YouTube</b></a></p>