Forming Good Habits to be Indistractable with Nir Eyal
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<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">If you want to work towards success, you need to start living a life that's indistractable. </span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">We know we need to be focused. Yet, how many times a day do you get distracted from doing your most important work? It's easy to get sucked into hours of scrolling through social media or mindlessly skipping channels. These external triggers often take the blame when we get distracted. However, did you know that a more dangerous form of distraction is one where we think we're being productive? The secret is that the opposite of distraction isn't focus: it's traction.</span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Behavioural designer Nir Eyal joins us to talk about how to form good habits and break bad ones. He discusses the four steps to becoming indistractable and staying on top of your goals. We also learn how to change our mindsets around self-limiting beliefs and pessimistic thoughts. Finally, Nir shares his expertise in creating effective habit-forming products and building an engaged community. </span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">You have the power to become indistractable. Tune in if you want to know about how to create a distraction-free life! </span></p> <h2><strong>Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:</strong></h2> <ol> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Discover the four steps you need to take to become indistractable.</span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Understand the true meaning of distractions and why we need to let go of limiting beliefs. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Learn how to make habit-forming products and services along with a strong community engagement.</span></li> </ol> <h2><strong>Resources</strong></h2> <ul> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Gain exclusive access and bonuses to Pushing the Limits Podcast by becoming a</span> <a href="https://patron.lisatamati.com/patron1"><span style="font-weight: 400;">patron</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">! </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Harness the power of NAD and NMN for anti-aging and longevity with</span> <a href="https://nmnbio.nz/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">NMN Bio</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">A new program,</span> <a href="http://peakwellness.co.nz/boostcamp"><span style="font-weight: 400;">BOOSTCAMP</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">, is coming this September at Peak Wellness! </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Listen to other Pushing the Limits episodes with Dr Elena Seranova: </span></li> <li style="display: inline;"> <ul> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">#183:</span> <a href="https://www.lisatamati.com/podcast--dr-elena-seranova/"><span style="font-weight: 400;"> Sirtuin and NAD Supplements for Longevity </span></a></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">#189:</span> <a href="https://www.lisatamati.com/podcast--dr-elena-seranova-increasing-longevity/"> <span style="font-weight: 400;">Understanding Autophagy and Increasing Your Longevity </span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Connect with Nir:</span> <a href="https://www.nirandfar.com/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Website</span></a> <span style="font-weight: 400;">I</span> <a href="https://twitter.com/nireyal?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor"> <span style="font-weight: 400;">Twitter</span></a> <span style="font-weight: 400;">I</span> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nireyal/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">LinkedIn</span></a></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Books by Nir: </span></li> <li style="display: inline;"> <ul> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.nirandfar.com/hooked/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products</span></a></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.nirandfar.com/indistractable/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Indistractable: How to Control Your Attention and Choose Your Life</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.stevenkotler.com/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Steven Kotler</span></a> <span style="font-weight: 400;">and</span> <a href="https://www.flowresearchcollective.com/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">The Flow Collective</span></a></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Mindset-Psychology-Carol-S-Dweck/dp/0345472322"> <span style="font-weight: 400;">Mindset</span></a> <span style="font-weight: 400;">by Carol Dweck</span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Factfulness-Reasons-World-Things-Better/dp/1250107814"> <span style="font-weight: 400;">Factfulness</span></a> <span style="font-weight: 400;">by Hans Rosling</span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.diamandis.com/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Peter Diamandis</span></a> <span style="font-weight: 400;">and his</span> <a href="https://www.diamandis.com/books"><span style="font-weight: 400;">books</span></a></li> </ul> <h2><strong>Get Customised Guidance for Your Genetic Make-Up</strong></h2> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">For our epigenetics health programme, all about optimising your fitness, lifestyle, nutrition and mind performance to your particular genes, go to</span> <a href="https://www.lisatamati.com/page/epigenetics-and-health-coaching/"> <span style="font-weight: 400;"> </span><span style="font-weight: 400;">https://www.lisatamati.com/page/epigenetics-and-health-coaching/</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">.</span></p> <h2><strong>Customised Online Coaching for Runners</strong></h2> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">CUSTOMISED RUN COACHING PLANS — How to Run Faster, Be Stronger, Run Longer Without Burnout & Injuries</span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Have you struggled to fit in training in your busy life? 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Meanwhile, Indistractable teaches people how to break bad habits.</span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">People often know what to do to create a better life but don't take action. As such, Nir believes that learning to be indistractable is the skill of the century.</span></li> </ul> <h3><strong>[06:25] On</strong> <strong><em>Indistractable</em></strong><strong>: Understanding Distractions</strong></h3> <ul> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">The opposite of distraction isn't focus; it's traction. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Traction is any action that will bring you closer to your goals and values. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Therefore, distraction is any action that will pull you away from your goals and values. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">The most dangerous form of distraction is the one where we think we're being productive. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">We often prioritise the urgent and easy work over the hard and important ones. </span></li> </ul> <h3><strong>[10:40] Social Media and Addiction</strong></h3> <ul> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">There's a widespread belief that social media will make you addicted. But in reality, this is learned helplessness. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">When people believe that they're addicted, they often don't do anything about it. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">There's nothing wrong with social media. The problem is how we use it. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">We are not powerless against technology. </span></li> </ul> <h3><strong>[13:22] How to Gain Back Control</strong></h3> <ul> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">People don't accomplish a goal because they quit early and don't feel like doing the work.</span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">We often blame our distractions on external forces. However, around 90% of these are due to internal triggers. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Internal triggers are uncomfortable emotions that we want to escape. We do this by distracting ourselves. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">In reality, time management is about pain management. </span></li> </ul> <h3><strong>[17:43] Letting Go of Limiting Beliefs</strong></h3> <ul> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nir warns against anchoring our autonomy on neurotransmitters. When we believe we have a specific nature, we limit our agency.</span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Before labelling yourself a certain way, do the work. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">People find success when they act before they make excuses. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Believing in ego depletion is also harmful. Find out why in the full episode! </span></li> </ul> <h3><strong>[24:49] The Indistractable Model: Steps One and Two</strong></h3> <ul> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">The first strategy to becoming indistractable is mastering your internal triggers through visualisation. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Don't envision the outcome. Doing so can be harmful because it makes you feel like you've already done the work. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Visualise what you'll do when you're tempted to go off track.</span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">The second step is to make time for traction. You can't call something a distraction unless you know what you're distracted from. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Having a to-do list can be harmful; plan daily schedules instead. </span></li> </ul> <h3><strong>[27:44] The Indistractable Model: Steps Three and Four</strong></h3> <ul> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">The third step is to decrease external triggers. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Finally, prevent distractions with pacts or pre-commitments. </span></li> </ul> <h3><strong>[30:40] What You Should Measure </strong></h3> <ul> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">We have a lot of self-limiting beliefs. You need to distinguish whether these are things you cannot do or just ones you don't want to do. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">When doing something, the consistency of your actions contributes more to your success than the intensity. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Understand that accomplishing your goals takes time. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Instead of looking at your output, learn to measure your progress through your inputs, such as time and effort. </span></li> </ul> <h3><strong>[37:57] Be Willing to Put in the Hard Work </strong></h3> <ul> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">There's no magic pill for our problems and goals. Everything takes time and work. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Keep showing up and doing the hard work. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">We now have access to so much information; you just need to get out there and learn. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Remember that if you're looking for distraction, it will come. </span></li> </ul> <h3><strong>[41:58] Adapting to Changes Around Us</strong></h3> <ul> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">All new things have consequences. The good thing is, we humans are highly adaptable.</span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">In the same vein, you have the power to adapt and control how you consume 'addictive' social media. Not the other way around. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nir believes that the world is getting better. However, good news does not get much media coverage. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Try to be more optimistic. Only then can you seek solutions to problems and not resign yourself to the situation.</span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">You don't need to worry about everyone's problems. Your human capital is best directed toward issues where you can make the easiest and most significant impact.</span></li> </ul> <h3><strong>[50:48] How to Make Habit-Forming Products</strong></h3> <ul> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Use habit-forming products frequently and soon. It should be something that you use within a week or less. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">First, tap into internal triggers and specify which uncomfortable emotion your product wants to solve. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Second, reduce friction. Make your product as easy as possible to use. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Third, create variable rewards. Uncertainty is what excites people and gets them hooked.</span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Finally, it helps to make people invest in the experience. Listen to the full episode to dive deeper into making habit-forming products! </span></li> </ul> <h3><strong>[55:19] The 3 C's of Engagement</strong></h3> <ul> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Fostering engagement can be done through content, community, and conversation. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Curate content that will give value to others. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Empower people to help one another so you can create a strong-knit community. </span></li> <li style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Lastly, have conversations with people to share knowledge and wisdom. </span></li> </ul> <h2><strong>7 Powerful Quotes from This Episode</strong></h2> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">'The opposite of distraction is not focus. If you look at the origin of the word, the opposite of distraction is traction. You'll notice that both traction and distraction end in the same six letters, a-c-t-i-o-n.'</span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">'Traction, by definition, is any action that pulls you towards what you said you were going to do. Things that you do with intent. Things that move you closer to your values and help you become the kind of person you want to become.'</span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">'We have this model in our heads: traction, distraction, internal, external, right? Now we know that the four big parts of the Indistractable model. So now, we work our way around these four steps like the points on a compass.'</span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">'One of my life mantras is: "Consistency over intensity". I think that's how we change.' </span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">'We want that instant relief. We want that instant solution. Look, the things that are worth having in life, they take time.'</span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">'What's going to lead us out of our problems is not running away from these problems, not throwing up our hands and giving up. But rather, engaging with these problems, right?'</span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">'[Habit-forming products] appreciate in value, meaning they get better and better the more we interact with them because of what I call stored value.'</span></p> <h2><strong>About Nir</strong></h2> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nir Eyal writes, consults, and teaches about the intersection of psychology, technology, and business. He helps companies create behaviours that benefit the users and educates people on building healthful habits in their lives.</span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nir previously taught as a Lecturer in Marketing at the Stanford Graduate School of Business and the Hasso Plattner Institute of Design. He is the bestselling author of Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products and Indistractable: How to Control Your Attention and Choose Your Life. He also shares his insights with his newsletter at Nir and Far and has written for Psychology Today, The Atlantic, TechCrunch, and the Harvard Business Review. </span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Nir is also an active investor in habit-forming technologies, such as Eventbrite, Kahoot!, and Anchor.fm. </span></p> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Interested in learning more about Nir's work? You check out his</span> <a href="https://www.nirandfar.com/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">website</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">. You can also reach him on</span> <a href="https://twitter.com/nireyal?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor"> <span style="font-weight: 400;">Twitter</span></a> <span style="font-weight: 400;">and</span> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nireyal/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">LinkedIn</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">. </span> <strong> </strong><span style="font-weight: 400;"> </span></p> <h2><strong>Enjoyed This Podcast?</strong></h2> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;">If you did, be sure to subscribe and share it with your friends!</span></p> <p><strong>Post a review and share it!</strong> <span style="font-weight: 400;">If you enjoyed tuning in, then leave us a review. 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