Sylvester Gates – Diversifying the Scientific Imagination

<p></p><p>My guest this week is the distinguished physicist Sylvester “Jim” Gates. Jim was my colleague at Brown for years (he’s now at the University of Maryland), and we’re both alumni of MIT. Jim has made pathbreaking contributions to areas of physics that laymen like me can barely understand—he’s a deep, deep guy. He’s also got some thoughts on race and diversity in the sciences that give us an opportunity for some friendly debate. </p><p>Jim begins by introducing <strong>supersymmetry</strong>, a subfield in physics he helped to define back in the ‘70s. It’s extremely complex stuff, but he breaks it down. We spend the bulk of our time, though, talking about <strong>race in the sciences</strong>. Jim stresses the value that diversity plays in <strong>an under-recognized aspect of scientific innovation</strong>: imagination. In Jim’s view, while tests are important, there are limits to what they can tell us about who is most likely to produce <strong>the next big advance</strong> in any scientific field, just as there are limits to what tests can tell us about <strong>the competency of any given student</strong>. He uses himself as an example of a student who was average when he started grad school but managed to <strong>transform himself into a cutting-edge researcher</strong>. He sees value in giving weight to diversity, and even to continuing affirmative action, but <strong>there are limits</strong>. He worries, for example, that DEI initiatives classifying basic practices like <strong>homework and demanding excellence</strong> as “white” are going too far, just as he thinks speakers with unpopular views should be <strong>met with debate rather than cancelation.</strong> </p><p>It’s a pleasure to sit down with a scientist as distinguished as Jim Gates. I think you’ll be seeing more of him on The Glenn Show in the future. </p><p><em>This post is free and available to the public. To receive early access to TGS episodes, an ad-free podcast feed, Q&amp;As, and other exclusive content and benefits, click below.</em></p><p>Featured Content from the Manhattan Institute</p><p><a href="https://www.manhattan-institute.org/underfunding-police-violent-crime" target="_blank">Improving our criminal-justice system means spending the requisite money to address America’s horrific and long-standing problem with criminal violence</a>, argue Reihan Salam and Charles Fain Lehman.</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoNrwIuOH5M&#38;t=0s" target="_blank">0:00</a> What led Jim to the forefront of physics </p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoNrwIuOH5M&#38;t=473s" target="_blank">7:53</a> Jim explains supersymmetry </p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoNrwIuOH5M&#38;t=710s" target="_blank">11:50</a> Is there racism in the sciences? </p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoNrwIuOH5M&#38;t=1092s" target="_blank">18:12</a> The role of culture and imagination in the sciences </p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoNrwIuOH5M&#38;t=1727s" target="_blank">28:47</a> The scientific “big bang” in Europe </p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoNrwIuOH5M&#38;t=1983s" target="_blank">33:03</a> How Jim accounts for racial disparities in test scores </p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoNrwIuOH5M&#38;t=2975s" target="_blank">49:35</a> Jim: “Genius” is a verb </p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoNrwIuOH5M&#38;t=3258s" target="_blank">54:18</a> Why Jim worries about DEI and cancelation</p><p>Recorded February 6, 2023</p><p>Links and Readings</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Technology-Dream-Reflections-Experience-1941-1999/dp/026223212X" target="_blank">Clarence Williams’s book, </a><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Technology-Dream-Reflections-Experience-1941-1999/dp/026223212X" target="_blank"><em>Technology and the Dream: Reflections on the Black Experience at MIT, 1941-1999</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.the-scientist.com/opinion-old/equity-vs-excellence-a-false-dichotomy-in-science-and-society-58436" target="_blank">Jim’s essay, “Equity vs. Excellence: A False Dichotomy in Science and Society”</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Structure-Scientific-Revolutions-50th-Anniversary/dp/0226458121" target="_blank">Thomas Kuhn, </a><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Structure-Scientific-Revolutions-50th-Anniversary/dp/0226458121" target="_blank"><em>The Structure of Scientific Revolutions</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Logic-Scientific-Discovery-Routledge-Classics/dp/0415278449" target="_blank">Karl Popper, </a><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Logic-Scientific-Discovery-Routledge-Classics/dp/0415278449" target="_blank"><em>The Logic of Scientific Discovery</em></a></p><p><a href="https://glennloury.substack.com/p/stephon-alexander-fear-of-a-black" target="_blank">Physicist Stephon Alexander’s TGS appearance</a></p><p><a href="https://amazon.com/Jazz-Physics-Between-Structure-Universe/dp/0465034993" target="_blank">Stephon Alexander’s book, </a><a href="https://amazon.com/Jazz-Physics-Between-Structure-Universe/dp/0465034993" target="_blank"><em>The Jazz of Physics: The Secret Link between Music and the Structure of the Universe</em></a></p><p><a href="https://amazon.com/Fear-Black-Universe-Outsiders-Physics/dp/1541699637" target="_blank">Stephon Alexander’s book, </a><a href="https://amazon.com/Fear-Black-Universe-Outsiders-Physics/dp/1541699637" target="_blank"><em>Fear of a Black Universe: An Outsider’s Guide to the Future of Physics</em></a></p> <br /><br />This is a public episode. 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