Ezra Klein: Protecting People Means Winning Power

<div>The White House readies plans for mass firings in the federal government as Democrats weigh the stakes of forcing a government shutdown. The Justice Department prepares to seek an indictment for former FBI Director James Comey as President Trump hunts for revenge against his political enemies. Ezra Klein of The New York Times joins Tim to discuss what a fight about a shutdown should really be about, how Democrats can find a message that can meet the moment and what it will take to pull our politics out of a violent moment.<br /><br /><em>Show Notes:<br /></em><br /></div><ul>

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<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/11/opinion/charlie-kirk-assassination-fear-politics.html"><strong>Ezra Klein: “Charlie Kirk Was Practicing Politics The Right Way.”<br /></strong></a><br /></li>

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<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/16/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-ben-shapiro.html"><strong>Ezra Klein: “We Are Going to Have To Live With Each Other.” </strong></a><strong>(An Interview with Ben Shapiro)<br /></strong><br /></li>

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<strong>Bulwark Live in DC (10/8) and NYC (10/11) with Sarah, Tim and JVL are on sale now at </strong><a href="http://thebulwark.com/events"><strong><a href="http://TheBulwark.com/events">TheBulwark.com/events</a></strong></a><strong>.<br /></strong><br /></li>

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<strong>NEW show added to Toronto schedule:</strong> Bulwark Live Q&amp;A Matinee show on Saturday, September 27 —<a href="https://admitone.com/events/the-bulwark-podcast-toronto-10155121">tickets are on sale now, here</a>.<br /><br /></li>

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