#340 John Cooper (Skillet) - Bucking the Music Industry

<p>John Cooper is an American musician, and founding member and frontman of the multi-platinum Christian rock band Skillet. In this exclusive interview in Dubai, John sits down with Zuby to discuss his career, cultural shifts in the USA, and how he manages success. The two explore the value of faith and the post-modern 'woke' peak of 2021. John also shares the tipping point that caused him to speak out, the importance of independent media, and the value of discourse.</p><p><br /></p><p>Sponsors: </p><p>Secure your bitcoin today with Bitbox. Get 5% off a hardware wallet at <a href="https://bitbox.swiss/zuby" rel="nofollow">https://bitbox.swiss/zuby</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Get a copy of the book 'Wounded Tiger', the unbelievable story of the pilot who led the Pearl Harbor Attack. Visit <a href="https://woundedtiger.com/zuby" rel="nofollow">https://woundedtiger.com/zuby</a></p><p>Special thanks to Podcast Hub in Dubai for supporting this episode - <a href="https://podcasthub.ae" rel="nofollow">https://podcasthub.ae</a></p><p>–</p><p><br /></p><p>Timestamps:</p><p><br /></p><p>(00:18) Introduction</p><p>(05:01) John’s career longevity</p><p>(09:10) Cultural shifts</p><p>(16:18) Speed of success</p><p>(19:45) Faith &amp; values</p><p>(26:50) Post-modernism 2021 peak</p><p>(33:52) Cultural tipping points</p><p>(38:51) Pushback: emergence of independent media</p><p>(42:41) Cowardice</p><p>(49:31) The value of discourse</p><p>(55:14) Skillet’s new album</p><p>(58:39) New age artists/irony of cancel culture</p><p>(1:01:44) Optimism in 2024</p><p>(1:10:43) Outro</p><p><br /></p><p>_</p><p><br /></p><p>Follow Zuby:</p><p><a href="https://x.com/zubymusic" rel="nofollow">https://x.com/zubymusic</a></p><p><a href="https://instagram.com/zubymusic" rel="nofollow">https://instagram.com/zubymusic</a></p><p><a href="https://facebook.com/zubymusic" rel="nofollow">https://facebook.com/zubymusic</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Follow John Cooper:</p><p><a href="https://x.com/johnlcooper" rel="nofollow">https://x.com/johnlcooper</a></p><p><br /></p><p>_</p><p><br /></p><p>Subscribe to the 'Real Talk With Zuby' podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify &amp; more - <a href="https://fanlink.tv/zubypodcast" rel="nofollow">https://fanlink.tv/zubypodcast</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Merch, Music &amp; Books - <a href="https://teamzuby.com" rel="nofollow">https://teamzuby.com</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Support Zuby on Patreon - <a href="https://patreon.com/zubymusic" rel="nofollow">https://patreon.com/zubymusic</a></p><p>Support Zuby on Locals - <a href="https://teamzuby.locals.com" rel="nofollow">https://teamzuby.locals.com</a></p><p><br /></p><p>'Strong Advice: Zuby's Guide to Fitness For Everybody' eBook - <a href="https://gumroad.com/l/zubyfitness" rel="nofollow">https://gumroad.com/l/zubyfitness</a></p><br /><br />Support this podcast at — <a href="https://redcircle.com/real-talk-with-zuby/donations" rel="payment">https://redcircle.com/real-talk-with-zuby/donations</a><br /><br />Advertising Inquiries: <a href="https://redcircle.com/brands">https://redcircle.com/brands</a><br /><br />Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href="https://redcircle.com/privacy">https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>