"Shitty flow" is real, and most people are drowning in it | Brad Stulberg: Full Interview
April 17, 2026
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Most people chasing excellence are chasing the wrong thing entirely. Brad Stulberg argues that the 4am routines, optimization stacks, and recovery scores are just elaborate performance passed off as “excellence.”
Stulberg breaks down the biology, philosophy, and psychology behind genuine excellence and how to reach it.
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About Brad Stulberg:
Brad Stulberg is the author of Master of Change, The Practice of Groundedness, and The Way of Excellence. He has written for the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal and The Atlantic, among many other publications. He is on faculty at the University of Michigan School of Public Health.
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