Bloomberg Surveillance: The Fed's Unlikely Inflation Goal | Bloomberg Podcasts

Tiffany Wilding, PIMCO Economist, expects growth to stagnate next year as the Fed's policy drags continue to build (). David Bailin, Citi Global Wealth Chief Investment Officer & Global Head Of Investments, says there's opportunity in rising earnings as markets begin to normalize (). Randy Kroszner, Univ. of Chicago Professor of Economics & Former Fed Governor, says continued wage growth makes the Fed's inflation goal unlikely (). Paul Sankey, Sankey Research Founder & Lead Analyst, says he's concerned that Saudi Arabia may dump the oil market as prices continue to drop (). Terry Haines, Pangaea Policy Founder, recaps a fiery Republican presidential debate. ()

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This is the Bloomberg Surveillance Podcast. I'm Lisa Abramoids along with Tom Keane and Jonathan Farrow. Join us each day for insight from the best in economics, geopolitics, finance and investment. Subscribe to Bloomberg Surveillance on demand on Apple, Spotify and anywhere you get your podcasts, and always on Bloomberg dot Com, the Bloomberg Terminal, and the Bloomberg Business App. Right now, I've been out a few days, but I really want to reset here on the American economy, and there's no one better to do that than Tiffany Wilding, economist at Pimco. Tiffy, I'm going to go beyond the labor reports. We'll circle back to that. What is your real GDP growth for twenty twenty four? Yeah, I mean, so we think that the good news from twenty twenty three, the resilient story, the you know, two and a half percent kind of above trend GDP growth, you know, that's probably squarely behind us. You know, the saying kind of goes you can't go to heaven twice, and we think some of the factors that led to that, you know, we're still some of these excess savings sloshing around from the pandemic and other supports, and you know, and those kinds of things in our and under our estimation are going away next year. And when you when those things go away, what you're left with is still tight monetary policy, you know. And obviously we have a Federal Reserve that is telling us they're going to remain on hold. So those policy drags are continuing to build. So overall, we think growth probably is closer to something, you know, the stagnant. You know, whether it's slightly positive or slightly negative, I think is anyone's guest. But we're kind of a stagnant situation next year. So are you basically saying that we're in heaven and that this is the Goldilocks and that you can't go there again it's over? Yeah, I mean, so we do think there's a lot of good news this year with the US economy. There's a lot of surprising resilience in the growth numbers, of course, you know, and and so we think, you know, the supply picture, as the Federal Reserve has also pointed out, has also helped that, you know. But again, if you looked at twenty twenty four, you have demand which is potentially coming down, you know, but some of the things that added to supply, like supply chain normalizations. You know, we have the labor force participation rate for the prime age folks that are now you know, it's back to pre pandemic levels. You know, we're just not convinced maybe that you're going to get as much on the supply side next year. Now. Of course, immigration has been a story here, and that's why we've also seen you know, the unemployment rate rise because some of those labor market inflows aren't getting absorbed by just a strong labor demand. But again, overall, all of those signals kind of point to us of something that's closer to more stagnant. More stagnant economy. Baked into this is this assumption that you're going to have higher yields for a longer period of time. You said, what we're going to be left with is just tighter financial conditions, and yet it's unclear whether that's going to be the case. There have been a lot of people calling for pretty substantial rate cuts by the Fed, by the ECP in response to inflation coming down significantly. Do you agree with the paradigm or oil prices stay lower than they have and keep inflecting lower because of production, because of supply, you start to see a re engagement of global trade, forget deglobalization, and you start to...