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What cardboard boxes can tell us about the US economy
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1:29Now PlayingBox shipments are an important indicator of consumer health, Bloomberg Intelligence's Ryan Fox told Tracy Alloway and Joe Weisenthal.
On Odd Lots, Fox discussed how America's box industry indicates a consumer goods recession, the economics of recycling, and the inputs that go into a box pricing algorithm.
Almost everything we buy nowadays has been in a box at some point. Goods are shipped in boxes. Products ordered online arrive at our doorstep in boxes. Boxes are so ubiquitous that some strategists use them as an unconventional macroeconomic indicator to gauge retail spending. Now, shipments of boxes are falling dramatically. At the same time, prices for boxes have actually been going up. So what's going on? And what does it suggest about the health of the US consumer and the broader economy? In this episode, we speak with Ryan Fox, containers and packaging analyst for Bloomberg Intelligence. We talk about the box industry overall, how companies choose their packaging, and what makes the perfect box.
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