The Movement That Wants Us to Care About AI Model Welfare | Odd Lots

You hear a lot about AI safety, and this idea that sufficiently advanced AI could pose some kind of threat to humans. So people are always talking about and researching "alignment" to ensure that new AI models comport with human needs and values. But what about human treatment of AI? A small, but growing number of researchers talk about AI models potentially being sentient. Perhaps they are "moral patients". Perhaps they feel some kind of equivalent of pleasure and pain. Well if so, does that raise questions about how we use AI? One day will we be talking about AI welfare the way we talk about animal rights, or humane versions of animal husbandry? On this episode we speak with Larissa Schiavo of Eleos AI. Eleos is an an organization that says its "preparing for AI sentience and welfare." In this conversation we discuss the work being done in the field, why some people think this is an important area for research, whether its in tension with AI safety, and how our use and development of AI might change in a world where models welfare were to be seen as an important consideration.

[00:00:00] - Intro

[00:08:43] - Defining AI Consciousness: The Checklist Approach

[00:14:39] - AI Safety vs AI Welfare: Complementary Fields

[00:15:29] - Governance and Legal Framework Questions

[00:17:29] - What AI Systems Value: Anthropic's Research

[00:22:38] - Commercial Pressures vs Ethical Considerations

[00:23:45] - Being Kind to AI Models

[00:26:03] - High Stakes: Implications for Human Society

[00:29:12] - AI Financial Rights and Property

[00:32:14] - Historical Perspective: When Did Consciousness Begin?

[00:37:50] - Practical Implications of Proven AI Consciousness

[00:40:59] - Trust in AI Labs and Independent Evaluation

[00:42:39] - Blake Lemoine Retrospective

[00:44:49] - Most Interesting Current Research

[00:47:52] - Conclusion and Future Implications

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