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1:37:22Now PlayingToday I'm talking with Brandon Estrella, who has military and police experience (his father was a police chief in California) to discuss defunding and reforming the police as an institution and how that might look, what could work and what definitely wouldn't work. It's a difficult and multi-layered topic, so of course there's no shortage of good and bad ideas out there. Maybe we can help sort through some of them. At the very least, it will be an interesting discussion.
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