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In this raw and powerful conversation, author and survivor Tia Levings joins Pat Kahnke and Amy Hawk to expose the hidden cruelty behind Pete Hegseth's rise in Christian nationalist circles — and the broader religious movement that enabled him. Drawing from her memoir A Well-Trained Wife and her upcoming book I Belong to Me, Tia shares what it’s like to grow up under church-sanctioned patriarchy, escape at midnight with her children, and heal from years of religious trauma.
We discuss:
– The abusive theology of Doug Wilson and the Moscow, Idaho movement
– Pete Hegseth’s rise to power and why Christian nationalists celebrate cruelty
– Blanket training, and authoritarian control in the home
– How Christian patriarchy grooms women for silence and obedience
– What survivors need to know about nervous system trauma and healing
– How we resist—and rebuild—without losing hope
Whether you're a former evangelical, a justice-minded Christian, or just trying to understand the rise of religious extremism in America, this conversation will challenge and equip you.
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