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56:05Now PlayingRobert P. Jones argues that the crisis facing American democracy is also a crisis inside white Christianity. In this conversation, Jones, president and founder of PRRI and author of Backslide: Reclaiming a Faith and a Nation After the Christian Turn Against Democracy, explains why he believes white Christian support for Donald Trump and Christian nationalism represents both democratic backsliding and theological apostasy.
We dig into one of the interview's most striking findings: among white evangelicals, higher church attendance is associated with stronger support for Trump, anti-immigrant attitudes, and Christian nationalism.
Jones also examines the growing Christian critique of empathy, the racial history embedded in American Christianity, how culture shapes biblical interpretation, and what Martin Niemöller's regret can teach Christians today.
The conversation ends with the question Jones says Christians and Americans have to confront now: what will we regret not doing while there was still time?
Book: Backslide: Reclaiming a Faith and a Nation After the Christian Turn Against Democracy
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Robert P. Jones is the president and founder of Public Religion Research Institute, or PRRI, and a New York Times bestselling author whose work focuses on religion, race, politics, and democracy. His books include The Hidden Roots of White Supremacy, White Too Long, The End of White Christian America, and his newest book, Backslide. Jones holds a Ph.D. in religion from Emory University and writes the Redeeming Democracy newsletter
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