Trump Is Screwed If Rumors Of Mark Meadows' Cooperation Are True

Rumors are swirling - thanks to a report from CNN - that Donald Trump's former chief of staff Mark Meadows might be cooperating with the special prosecutor's investigation into Trump, and legal experts are predicting that Trump is absolutely screwed if this is really happening. We do know that Meadows has had meetings with the grand jury, but we have no information on whether or not he actually cooperated. Farron Cousins explains what could be happening - and what could just be rumors.

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CNN released a report this week where a source close to Donald Trump told the network that they believe. So we're already in like, is this believable or not territory? Uh, but they believe that Mark Meadows is actually cooperating with the Department of Justice with Jack Smith and the grand jury, and that he has turned on Donald Trump and legal experts are out there telling us right now that if this is true, if this is in fact what has happened, then Trump is screwed. And I agree a hundred percent with that. Mark Meadows has always been the key to unlocking Trump's personal involvement in all of the schemes and scams to overturn the results of the 2020 election. Without Mark Meadow's direct cooperation. In some instances, not all, but some, it would of course be very difficult to tie Trump directly into those activities. Cuz we know, obviously Mark Meadows was at the center of it.

Mark Meadows was talking to the electors. Mark Meadows was talking to the secretaries of state. He was working with Trump's lawyers on the election challenges. So Mark Meadows himself, we know his involvement with all of these different groups. What we do not necessarily have firm concrete evidence of is whether Mark Meadows was just doing this or whether he was being directed by Donald Trump. And I know you're probably sitting there thinking the same thing that I'm already thinking, which is obviously it came from Donald Trump. Right. Well, let me ask you this. Could you walk into a courtroom right now and prove that?

No, you can't. So just because we're pretty sure it happened, just because it's kind of obvious that it happened doesn't mean that in a court of law you would be able to prove it. And this special prosecutor, the grand jury, they're not just gonna go on hunches and assumptions and be like, well obviously Trump did it. They've gotta have concrete evidence if they're going to bring charges against him. And Mark Meadows is the only person most likely that would have all of that evidence. Obviously there's gotta be a couple other people that are gonna be able to provide a little testimony, maybe a little bit of evidence. But Mark Meadows was the go between so that Trump didn't have to be so that Trump could, I guess, in the eyes of the law, maybe keep his hands a little clean. So if these reports are true, and again, it's like somebody close to Trump says that they think that Mark Meadows might. So, you know, there's a lot of ifs and butts in there. But let's assume for a moment that Mark Meadows is cooperating. If that is the case, he would be the guy that would have all of the directions from Donald Trump's all of the directives from Donald Trump. He would have the communications, he would have the text messages, he would have the emails, he would

Have the web going right back to Donald Trump in the center of it. And of course it probably wouldn't be all that hard for the special prosecutor to get Mark Meadows to cooperate. I mean, if Mark Meadows is already at the center of this, then it's likely that Meadows himself could be facing some very serious charges eventually. And all the special prosecutor has to do is say, look, here's a list of the things I could get you for. I'm willing to take this list down to here, maybe even down to nothing if you're willing to be a good little cooperative with me. We could be looking at 25 years, or we could be looking at 25 hours of testimony and cooperation with the grand jury. You make that choice, bud. So again, it doesn't seem unlikely that Mark Meadows would cooperate, especially if he himself is facing charges, if he, you know, gets some kind of plea deal, some kind of immunity agreement, like I'll give you everything if you don't go after me.