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Trump Forced His Aides To Spy On Mark Meadows Since Leaving Office

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Donald Trump has been so afraid that his former Chief of Staff Mark Meadows is ratting him out to the feds that he has forced his staffers to "spy" on him for the past year, according to a new report. So far, the staffers haven't been able to make a determination one way or the other, so Trump is left in a state of paranoia where he continues to accuse Meadows of working against him. This is deranged behavior, but it also proves that Trump understands that he broke the law, as Farron Cousins explains.

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According to a massive new report from Rolling Stone, Donald Trump has basically had his lawyers and aides spy on his former chief of Staff Mark Meadows, for this entire year, as far as we know. So here's what happened earlier this year. The report points out Donald Trump sent his lawyers, his aides, everybody like, Hey, go find out what is Mark doing? And as we all know, Mark Meadows, of course, was the chief of staff during the 2020 election and all of the horrible things that Trump did after the 2020 election. So Mark Meadows was the central figure. He was the guy getting the text messages. He was the one working out the details and, oh, could we steal the voting machines? Could we, could we work with this state to get them to overturn it? Mark Meadows is central to all of those, uh, alleged crimes that may have happened. And so of course, Trump is worried about that.

He wanted his people to go out, spy, get all the information they can to find out if Mark Meadows is in fact cooperating with the feds. Now, all of Trump's people have come back and said, we, we don't know like you sent us on this fact finding mission, as they called it. And we came back with nothing. Like we had no idea what the guy's doing. Well, it turns out one of the things that we don't know what he's doing, we do know what he was doing because he was in fact, talking to the grand jury under oath. So he did go and testify to them. He spent a long time with them, and Trump's people somehow couldn't even figure that out. The New York Times figured it out, but Trump's all the best people didn't even see that happening under their nose when they're supposed to be keeping a watchful eye on Mark Meadows.

But here's the funnier part. The last year, Mark Meadows, according to sources in Trump world, became terrified that Trump and his people were going to make Meadows the fall guy for everything that happened in the run-up to January 6th and all the attempts to overturn the election. So here's the thing, if Mark Meadows believed that Donald Trump was gonna throw him under the bus, then Meadows at that point would go into self preservation mode, right? Like, I'm not gonna be the guy to take the fall for all of this. So what can I do to save myself? Well, in that instance, the only thing that Meadows could do to save himself, instead of him being thrown under the bus, he would have to find somebody to throw under the bus. It was only one guy ahead of Mark Meadows, and that is Donald Trump, right? It went Trump Meadows, all the underlings. So if Meadows was gonna work out any kind of deal with the feds and cooperate with them, the only person that he could turn on would be Donald Trump. And if

He believed that Trump was ready to turn on him and make it all look like his fault, he would rush to the uh, special grand jury to tell them that, no, no, no, no, no. Here's what happened. Like it was Trump's fault. He made us do this. He directed it. It all came from the top. And that is the most likely scenario. I can't say it likely happened, but of all the possible scenarios, that does seem like the most likely one. If Meadows thought they were gonna flip on him, he was gonna flip on them first. So Trump does have a reason to worry, but he wouldn't have a reason to worry if he didn't think he did something illegal. And that's the part of the stories that I think everybody always misses. Like nobody happens to mention that, right? You are not wor, you don't send your people out there to spy on your former chief of staff because you're worried he's gonna flip on you if there wasn't something he could flip about, right?

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