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4:49Now PlayingDonald Trump's newest indictment is the most serious one that he has faced yet, but his team had already come up with a legal plan before the indictments were handed down. According to reports, Trump is planning to throw his former lawyers Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman under the bus HARD. Luckily, Jack Smith wrote the indictment in a way that already undermines that defense, as Farron Cousins explains.
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Well, folks, in case you've been living under a rock for the last two days, which would be a weird thing to just suddenly start doing. But if you were, let me just let you know that Donald Trump was indicted on four counts from Jack Smith related to his efforts to overturn the j uh, 2020 election. Uh, everything connected with January 6th, the events of that day, the biggest charge, of course, as we predicted, was conspiracy against the government of the United States. But even before those indictments were handed down, indictments that by the way, are now gonna be in front of a judge who kind of has a history of being very harsh against the Capitol rioters, she's already smacked down Trump once in court. So Trump is in a lot of trouble here. But before any of that happened, a new report from Rolling Stone, citing sources close to the Trump, uh, group, I guess you could say Trump campaign, Trump organization, you know, his little allies, whatever they say that the former president has already developed his legal strategy.
And that legal strategy is of course going to be throw everybody else onto the bus and blame them for all of the horrible things I did. Specifically the sources say he is going to be blaming Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman, two of his lawyers. That coincidentally though not named in the indictment, it's easy to put the pieces together and realize that those two men are co-conspirator, number one and co-conspirator number two. So they're in there, it's just that their names aren't, and these allies of Trump, the people close to him, say that the former president is gonna throw them as hard as possible under the bus by claiming that the bad legal advice that I got from these people is why I did these horrible things.
Is it a bad defense or is it a viable defense? Depends on who you ask, because here's the thing, if your lawyer tells you that, hey, there is, uh, you know, law on the books from many, many years ago that says you can go out there and, uh, punch anybody in the face that you want, and Trump goes out there and starts punching people in the face, he can't say, my lawyer told me it was legal to do that. No, I mean, common sense would dictate that, no, you can't do that. But at the same time, we also know that part of Trump's other legal strategy is to convince the jury that he genuinely believed that the election was stolen, which would, in the eyes of the law, as I've said, make what he did seem like the correct actions of the President of the United States at the time, and if he bases it on their legal advice, that may bolster that claim. So it's a bad legal defense and it may be the only legal defense that he has. But here's the problem, and Jack Smith actually laid this out beautifully in the indictment because Jack Smith
Mentioned that not only was Trump getting this horrible advice from his unindicted co-conspirators, but he was getting the opposite advice from everyone else, including other lawyers. And Jack Smith also included in the indictment quotes and cited witnesses who said that Trump was openly mocking some of the things that the lawyers had told him because he knew they were total bss. So if we are to assume that Trump is in fact going to try to throw Eastman and Giuliani under the bus, we already have not. We, Jack Smith already has witnesses that say that Trump was mocking these people, that he didn't believe what they said. He was holding in his hands, his own reports, showing there was no fraud. He had heard from State House leaders that there was no fraud. He heard from his own Department of Justice that they couldn't do these things. So if he is trying to claim that, oh, these two lawyers gave me bad advice, it's all their fault. He needs to understand there's gonna be maybe 20, maybe 30 or more other people who are gonna be able to take the stand and say, that's not true. We all told him he couldn't legally do it. So it may be the only defense he has, but it's also a defense that Jack Smith is more than ready to dismantle in court.
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