Interview with Anna LeBaron, daughter of murderous cult leader Ervil LeBaron

Anna Lebaron is author of the book: The Polygamist's Daughter. Ervil LeBaron, her father, was charged with ordering the murders of many of his opponents, including family members. Ervil used the religious doctrine of "Blood Atonement" to justify the murders. Anna escaped the cult and tells the story in her memoir.

We discuss Anna's story in relation to Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow Daybell. We hear how Anna escaped, and how she has found healing after a childhood of trauma.

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ANNA’S BOOKS THAT SHE RECOMMENDS:

List of books by Brene Brown

The Gifts of Imperfection

I Thought it was Just Me

Daring Greatly (my favorite)

Rising Strong

Braving the Wilderness

The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma by Bessel van der Kolk

For those who would appreciate spiritual resources that have been helpful to me:

Love Does by Bob Goff

Fierce, Free, and Full of Fire by Jen Hatmaker

Generations Deep by Gina Birkemeier

The Rhythm of Life by Matthew Kelly

The Divine Conspiracy by Dallas Willard

-Anna

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Hidden: A True Crime Podcast explores the hidden motives behind unimaginable crimes, while examining our deepest fears along the way. Join us on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors, both good and bad, in order to understand the world and ourselves.

DR. JOHN MATTHIAS

Dr. John is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with over twenty-five years’ experience in both clinical and forensic work. He has performed over 500 forensic and psychological evaluations and risk assessments for the courts since 1996, assessing the risks for violent and sexual recidivism for both adults and juveniles. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and he has consulted on numerous high-profile cases for District Attorney’s offices and defense attorneys in several states.

In the forensic area, Dr. Matthias has developed expertise in personality assessments, hidden behavioral motivations, complex trauma and criminal psychology. In the clinical realm, he has worked with numerous victims of abuse and trauma, including with survivors of the Las Vegas shooting massacre in 2017. He also received his Master’s degree in Marriage, Family and Child counseling from the University of Southern California and he has worked with hundreds of families, couples and children over the years. He supervises UNLV doctoral students on forensic assessments, clinical case formulation, and various therapeutic approaches to clinical work.

Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day. He received his doctorate from the University of Southern California.

Dr. Matthias has been an adjunct assistant professor in the University of Nevada Las Vegas clinical psychology doctoral program since 2007 and he has trained over 25 doctoral students since that time. He resides with his wife, Lauren, and son, Banks, in Henderson, Nevada.

LAUREN MATTHIAS:

Lauren has worked as an anchor and reporter for ABC, NBC, and FOX News in East Idaho, Boise, Idaho and Salt Lake City, Utah. She spent a decade reporting on a diverse range of topics from high profile crimes to Presidential visits. Most recently, she reported for Salt Lake City’s ABC affiliate News4Utah in Southern Utah. In 2015 she received the Idaho State Broadcaster’s Association Best Reporter award in addition to receiving the best report of the year in 2015 based upon a short documentary she did on LGBTQ rights. She was hired by Milwaukee’s ABC affiliate to be their lead reporter in 2015. She recently left the reporting world to stay home with her son and to produce and edit the Hidden True Crime Podcast. She is also the author of the book, Escaping Emotional Abuse. She currently works as the executive producer of the Hidden podcast and as a relationship coach assisting women in abusive relationships.