Larry Woodcock Breaks Down over JJ Vallow's murder. An interview with Kay and Larry Woodcock

JJ Vallow's Grandparents Speak Out: Interview with Kay and Larry Woodcock. Larry Breaks Down over Grandson

Kay and Larry Woodcock join John and Lauren Matthias at their dinner table for an intimate conversation that was originally planned to be a podcast episode.

This was recorded in April, 2021. We spoke for 5 hours, and never released any of the interview ... until now.

For what would have been their grandson JJ's 10th birthday, with Kay and Larry's permission, we finally decided to share part of their interview. We also felt it was important to honor mental health awareness month, and all children who are victims of violent crimes.

JJ was murdered, along with his older sister Tylee. Their mom and Chad Daybell await trial, charged in their deaths.

Larry and Kay tell us more about the remarkable boy JJ was.

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LAUREN MATTHIAS: worked as an anchor and reporter for ABC, NBC, and FOX News in East Idaho, Boise, Idaho and Salt Lake City, Utah. She spent a decade reporting on a diverse range of topics from high profile crimes to Presidential visits. Most recently, she reported for Salt Lake City’s ABC affiliate News4Utah. She currently works as the executive producer of the Hidden podcast.

DR. JOHN MATTHIAS is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with twenty-five years’ experience in both clinical and forensic work. He has performed over 500 forensic and psychological evaluations and risk assessments for the courts since 1996, assessing the risks for violent and sexual recidivism for both adults and juveniles. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and he has consulted on numerous high-profile cases for District Attorney’s offices and defense attorneys in several states. He is a certified court evaluator in several Western states, and he has forensic evaluation contracts with the federal government. He recently started a podcast, Hidden: A True Crime Podcast, with his journalist wife, Lauren, to present forensic psychology to a broad audience. The current season of the podcast explores the psychological dynamics behind the Vallow/Daybell case.

In the forensic area, Dr. Matthias has developed expertise in personality assessments, hidden behavioral motivations, complex trauma and criminal psychology. In the clinical realm, he has worked with numerous victims of abuse and trauma, including with survivors of the Las Vegas shooting massacre in 2017. He also received his Master’s degree in Marriage, Family and Child counseling from the University of Southern California and he has worked with hundreds of families, couples and children over the years. He supervises UNLV doctoral students on forensic assessments, clinical case formulation, and various therapeutic approaches to clinical work.

Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day. He received his doctorate from the University of Southern California.

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