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Juneteenth: A Fundamentally American Holiday. Plus, the Tyler Perry Lawsuit | Higher Learning

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June 20, 2025

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It’s Juneteenth, so we brought Dr. Peniel Joseph back to discuss his book, ‘Freedom Season,’ and the activist Robert F. Williams before podcaster Demetria Lucas joins to help break down the Tyler Perry lawsuit. And finally, The Ringer’s Chris Ryan joins to weigh in on the "face of The Ringer" debate.

(0:00) Intro

(08:52) Tucker Carlson & Ted Cruz

(30:34) Dr. Peniel Joseph joins the show

(32:39) ‘Freedom Season: How 1963 Transformed America’s Civil Rights Revolution

(36:32) The assault on history

(47:26) The life of Robert F. Williams

(58:14) Demetria Lucas joins the show

(59:29) The Tyler Perry lawsuit

(1:17:16) The Diddy trial

(1:21:17) Chris Ryan & the face of the Ringer

(1:35:35) Thoughts on Juneteenth

(1:45:38) Pusha T disses Travis Scott

Host: Van Lathan Jr.

Guests: Dr. Peniel Joseph, Demetria Lucas, and Chris Ryan

Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr.

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JuneteenthIts JuneteenthDr Peniel JosephFreedom SeasonRobert F WilliamsDemetria LucasTyler PerryThe Ringers Chris Ryan

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