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Venezuela Is Not Iraq | Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

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January 8, 2026

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“Get the army on the side of democracy,” the former Venezuela envoy Elliott Abrams tells @nytopinion columnist Ross Douthat. Abrams argues that in order to avoid a bloody civil war, the key is for the “gringos to get on the right side.”

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