One Woman’s War on P*rnhub | Laila Mickelwait | EP 503

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with CEO of the Justice Defense Fund, Laila Mickelwait. They discuss her ongoing efforts against the largest adult content platform in the world, their shady dealings with credit card companies, top-down refusal of proper moderation, potential safeguards which would benefit performers, and how anonymity fuels psychopathy on the internet.

Laila Mickelwait is the founder and CEO of the Justice Defense Fund and the founder of the global #Traffickinghub movement supported by millions around the world. She has been combating the crime of sex trafficking since 2006 and is a leading expert in the field. The Traffickinghub movement that Laila continues to lead is a decentralized global effort to hold Pornhub accountable for enabling and profiting from child abuse, sex trafficking, rape, and the criminal exploitation of countless victims. Traffickinghub has earned hundreds of millions of views on social media, and the petition to shut down Pornhub has been signed by over 2.3 million people from every country in the world. 600 organizations have participated in the effort and the impact of the movement has been covered globally in thousands of media pieces.

This episode was recorded on August 20th, 2024

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Purchase Laila’s book “TakedownInside The Fight to Shut Down Pornhub for Child Abuse, Rape and Trafficking” at Takedownbook.com 100% of author proceeds are donated to the Justice Defense Fund to support the cause

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(0:00) Coming up

(0:28) Intro

(3:03) Taking on P*rnhub, “It’s actually a crime scene”

(12:01) How novelty increases dopaminergic release, the arc of perversion

(17:20) How the homepage indoctrinates you

(20:14) Young men are being ruined by this

(22:23) Women-machine hybrids: how technology and monetization creates a nightmare

(23:29) Accountability — they refuse to properly moderate adult content

(26:09) Criminal activity in pay-to-download content

(30:27) Forced to remove 91% of their content

(33:20) Why the credit card companies participated — and how they were forced to stop

(36:32) “The Zuckerberg of p*rn”: naming the executives and secret shareholders

(40:04) Abigail Shrier, Michael Shellenberger: getting past disbelief

(43:02) Psychopathic pathology and invisibility online

(44:48) Anonymity’s pros and major cons

(46:45) Proposing ID and age verification for those who upload and for those in adult content

(49:06) Why Laila took on the p*rn industry, “pain with a purpose”

(59:41) Developing spirituality and finding true purpose in service

(1:06:34) Appearing on Jimmy Kimmel’s “The Man Show” — what’s wrong with Hollywood

(1:08:42) The laws are sufficient, they need to be enforced

(1:13:06) How you can help spread awareness

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