Renewable Energy, Fossil Fuels, and the Climate Debate | Alex Epstein | EP 514

Jordan Peterson sits down with philosopher, podcaster, and author Alex Epstein. They discuss the unprecedented need for energy to fuel the AI boom, the potential for abundant energy to outpace the problems it could create, the failure of the net-zero agenda, the necessity of a pro-human, pro-fossil fuel world, and the governmental policy ideas that would ensure an energy rich future.

Alex Epstein is a philosopher and energy expert who argues that "human flourishing" should be the guiding principle of energy and environmental progress. He is the author of the new bestselling book, “Fossil Future: Why Global Human Flourishing Requires More Oil, Coal, and Natural Gas—Not Less.” He is also the creator of EnergyTalkingPoints.com — a source of powerful, well-referenced talking points on energy, environmental, and climate issues.

This episode was filmed on December 14th, 2024.

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“The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels” (Book)

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(0:00) Coming up

(0:57) Intro

(8:25) The old system cannot handle increased energy demand

(11:07) The AI boom is driving new energy need

(16:40) The failure of the net-zero agenda

(20:02) The utility of renewables will be determined by a free market

(25:57) An anti-human worldview is anti-scientific

(34:23) Consider this when negotiating for what you want

(36:56) Economy and environment are the same thing: optimizing the earth for Human flourishing

(40:59) Pro-freedom energy policy and the untapped resource of nuclear power

(47:29) How to unleash North America’s energy industry

(51:54) Global greening in spite of the CO2 narrative

(1:00:27) Trading energy for intelligence - AI changes everything

(1:09:47) Removing the red tape, the renewable subsidy issue

(1:16:26) The government needs to do serious cost/benefit analysis

(1:26:45) What details you need to know to guide policy

(1:29:14) Climate mastery and resilience

(1:33:21) Forests are environmental dangers if not carefully maintained

(1:36:20) The arctic: “I don’t know why you’re so against development in a place with almost no life”

(1:37:31) We need executive action to promote nuclear power

(1:43:23) Balancing public presence and living through the details

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