Michael Malice: A Clinical Analysis | EP 516

Jordan Peterson sits down with author, podcaster, and notorious troll, Michael Malice. They discuss the motivations behind deep and totalitarian evil, how the margins of society operate within the anarchist framework, and the effect of counterproductive moralizing on psychological and political behavior.

Michael Malice is the author of “Dear Reader: The Unauthorized Autobiography of Kim Jong Il” and “The New Right: A Journey to the Fringe of American Politics, The White Pill,” and organizer of “The Anarchist Handbook.” He is also the subject of the graphic novel “Ego & Hubris,” written by the late Harvey Pekar of American Splendor fame. He is the host of the podcast, “YOUR WELCOME.” Malice has co-authored books with several prominent personalities, including “Made in America” (the New York Times best-selling autobiography of UFC Hall of Famer Matt Hughes), “Concierge Confidential” (one of NPR’s top 5 celebrity books of the year) and “Black Man, White House” (comedian D. L. Hughley’s satirical look at the Obama years, also a New York Times bestseller). He is also the founding editor of “Overheard in New York.”

This episode was filmed on January 6th, 2024.

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(0:00) Coming up

(0:11) Intro

(3:01) Justin Trudeau’s narcissistic resignation speech

(5:15) A cat with no brain: motivational states and the self

(8:20) What does self-actualization really mean?

(12:32) Slave and sojourner: “Your time” and “company time”

(19:18) The Prussian education model

(21:33) “They ran the experiment, they have the data… people are docile.”

(23:37) Future Authoring: how to lay out a plan for the adventure of your life

(31:40) Find your superordinate principal, how to become insanely successful

(35:28) Who Dr. Peterson modeled himself after

(39:14) How to ask someone for a favor - Michael Malice asks Dr. Peterson for a favor

(48:32) Why Malice wants to have dinner with Camille Paglia

(51:21) The worst tradeoff of political division, balancing the margins with the center

(56:06) Anxiety and entropy: curation of choice for an efficiently free society

(1:00:27) Herbert Simon and satisficing

(1:02:56) Dark comedy and the evil clown pathology: North Korea and Soviet Russia

(1:10:52) Trying to understand evil… “do you really want an answer to that question?”

(1:18:42) Why do people broadly downplay child abuse as a serious and widespread issue?

(1:24:55) This will change your view of human nature

(1:26:36) Panzram: one of history’s most evil bastards

(1:30:30) Why there are “monsters on the periphery” of religious architecture

(1:33:15) The trickster archetype: good or evil?

(1:37:49) The spiral of betrayal and paranoia

(1:40:20) Immaturity as a key to honest interaction

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