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Irreversible Damage at Fourteen | Detransitioner Clementine Breen | EP 531
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1:40:31Now PlayingDr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with Clementine Breen, a child who was moved through the transgender pipeline and has since de-transitioned. Together they walk through her story (from early sexual abuse to the daunting decision to undergo affirming surgery), the confusion and fallout thereafter, reorientation, and her lawsuit against the doctor who led her astray.
Clementine Breen is a de-transitioner who experienced early sexual abuse before having her gender dysphoria misdiagnosed as being transgender. Top surgery was sold to her at age 13, all the while her parents were told the atrocious “dead daughter or living son” lie. She is currently embroiled in a landmark lawsuit against her former doctor, Dr. Olson Kennedy.
This episode was filmed on January 1st, 2025.
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:54) Intro
(6:34) A difficult conversation
(9:28) Sexual abuse before puberty
(13:10) A theory for anorexia
(14:10) “There’s no excuse for not explaining this”
(18:09) Bad counseling and affirmation
(19:45) Major problem: the legal and professional standard of care is gender affirmation
(22:35) “They told me I was supposed to be born male”
(26:28) Social transition fueled popularity
(29:52) “Transition” didn’t resolve her issues: increased stress, insomnia, and hallucinations
(33:08) The shame, rationalization, and deep complexity of childhood abuse
(37:22) Trying to live up to a perception of masculinity, side effects of testosterone
(40:47) The “at risk for suicide” lie used to push children into the trans pipeline
(50:53) Constant affirmation, “I hoped it would be the answer”
(54:59) Finally recognizing past abuse at age 16, “I couldn’t function properly”
(57:04) The consequences of puberty blockers, the decision to undergo surgery
(1:01:49) Rubber-stamped despite conflicting medical notes
(1:04:12) Waking up after surgery, “I was so numb … dissociated”
(1:09:04) A new therapist changed everything, “we did not talk about my gender”
(1:14:36) Focusing on interests, passions, and the future — deciding to de-transition
(1:17:31) “I could not picture myself as someone's father”
(1:19:33) Clementine’s attitude toward femininity now
(1:21:40) Bumping into Billboard Chris: a viral conversation
(1:25:55) Mounting the lawsuit
(1:28:59) Notoriety and college life
(1:30:47) Fear, PTSD, and reconciliation
(1:34:11) “I’m female and I’m happy to be female”
(1:35:04) Clementine’s words for every young girl
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