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44:11Now PlayingIn this full live conversation, Stuart Stevens and Steven Beschloss confront the reality many still avoid: there is no “return to normal.” From ICE abuses and executive lawlessness to the failure to hold power accountable after January 6, they argue that restoration politics has failed—and reform is now unavoidable.
This discussion connects history, foreign policy, and domestic authoritarianism to a single urgent question: how democracies decay when accountability is delayed, excused, or feared—and what it will take to rebuild legitimacy in a post-norms America.
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