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The Story People STILL Don’t Want To Believe | Jan Jekielek #475 | The Way I Heard It

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I’ve had some uncomfortable conversations on this podcast—but this one might be the most unsettling of all. Jan Jekielek is back, and this time, we’re talking about something so disturbing, so hard to believe, that most people’s first instinct is to look away.

Forced organ harvesting of tens of thousands of people every year.

Yeah…that was my reaction, too.

Jan has spent years investigating what he believes is one of the greatest ongoing human rights atrocities in the world today. His new book, Killed to Order, lays out the evidence in a way that’s difficult to ignore—even harder to accept. But this conversation isn’t just about what’s happening in China. It’s about us. What would you do…really…if someone you loved could be saved by a system you knew was wrong?

That’s the question that stuck with me. And it’s the one I haven’t been able to shake. Watch the whole thing, then decide for yourself.

Check out Jan's new book, Killed to Order:

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Jan JekielekChina ItsOrder WatchColin Kaepernick WhatAmerica WhereRob Schneider

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