The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
May 22, 2026
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as posted by the channelToday we are delighted to share an episode from our colleagues on “The Ezra Klein Show,” originally published on March 31. Ezra interviewed author Michael Pollan, whose bestselling books include “The Omnivore’s Dilemma,” “In Defense of Food,” and “How to Change Your Mind.” Pollan’s latest book, “A World AppearsA Journey Into Consciousness,” () came out earlier this year. It’s an exploration of what consciousness is, and the book is as our review () put it “highly pleasurable to read.”
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“What Is It Like to Be a Bat? () ” by Thomas Nagel
The Hidden Spring () by Mark Solms
Descartes’ Error () by Antonio Damasio
“The Oxford Handbook of Spontaneous Thought () ” by Kalina Christoff and Kieran C. R. Fox
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You can find transcripts and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezrakleinpodcast () , and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at () .
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