A Conversation With Vice President Vance

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Vice President JD Vance met with the new pope a few days ago. He then sat down with The Times to talk about faith, immigration, the law and the partisan temptation to go too far.

Ross Douthat, an opinion columnist and the host of the new podcast “Interesting Times,” discusses their conversation.

GuestRoss Douthat () , an Opinion columnist and the host of the “Interesting Times” podcast.

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