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1:30:05Now PlayingManliness, Cat Ladies, Fertility Panic and the 2024 Election
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1:30:05Now PlayingA strange new gender politics is roiling the 2024 election. At the Republican National Convention, Donald Trump made his nomination a show of campy masculinity, with Hulk Hogan, Kid Rock and Dana White, the president of the Ultimate Fighting Championship, warming up the crowd. JD Vance’s first viral moments have been comments he made in 2021 about “childless cat ladies” running the Democratic Party and a “thought experiment” assigning extra votes to parents because they have more of an “investment in the future of this country.” Meanwhile, Kamala Harris is centering her campaign on abortion rights, and Tim Walz has been playing up his own classically masculine profile — as a former football coach, hunter and Midwestern dad. What are the two sides here really saying about gender and family? And what are the new fault lines of our modern-day gender wars?
Christine Emba is a staff writer at The Atlantic and the author of “Rethinking SexA Provocation () .” Zack Beauchamp is a senior correspondent at Vox and the author of the new book “The Reactionary SpiritHow America's Most Insidious Political Tradition Swept the World () .” In this conversation, we discuss some influences on JD Vance’s ideas about gender and family, the tensions between those ideas and the beliefs about gender represented by Donald Trump, the competing visions of masculinity presented by the two parties in this election, how Dobbs changed Democrats’ message on gender and family, and more.
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“What Does the 'PostLiberal Right' Actually Want? () ” with Patrick Deneen on The Ezra Klein Show
“A Powerful Theory of Why the Far Right Is Thriving Across the Globe () ” with Pippa Norris on The Ezra Klein Show
Book Recommendations:
Black Pill () by Elle Reeve
What Are Children For? () by Anastasia Berg and Rachel Wiseman
The Lord of the Rings trilogy () by J.R.R. Tolkien
Justice, Gender, and the Family () by Susan Moller Okin
Cultural Backlash () by Pippa Norris, Ronald Inglehart
Conservative Parties and the Birth of Democracy () by Daniel Ziblatt
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