The Demise of U.S.A.I.D. — and American Soft Power

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As President Trump demolishes the government’s biggest provider of foreign aid, the United States Agency for International Development, he is ending a 60-year bipartisan consensus about the best way to keep America safe from its enemies.

Michael Crowley, who covers U.S. foreign policy, and Stephanie Nolen, a global health reporter for The New York Times, discuss the rise and fall of U.S.A.I.D. — and American soft power.

GuestsMichael Crowley () , a reporter covering the State Department and U.S. foreign policy for The New York Times; and Stephanie Nolen () , a global health reporter for The New York Times.

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• With his aid cutoff, President Trump has halted U.S.A.I.D.’s legacy of “acting with humanity.” ()

• The agency’s workers are braced for the worst () .

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