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Trump's Dark Mirror Coalition | Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
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7:49Now PlayingHow did Donald Trump go from making toxic appeals to white voters to winning a multiracial coalition? Ross Douthat and his friend and co-author Reihan Salam explore how Trump fulfilled the political transformation they called for 20 years ago, albeit with a dash of demagoguery.
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This episode was produced by Phoebe Lett, Andrea Betanzos and Sophia Alvarez Boyd. It is edited by Jordana Hochman. Audio engineering by Carole Sabouraud. Mixing by Pat McCusker and Carole Sabouraud. Cinematography by Emily Holzknecht. Video editing by Jan Kobal and Arpita Aneja. Original music by Isaac Jones, Sonia Herrero, Pat McCusker and Aman Sahota. Our fact-checking team is Kate Sinclair, Mary Marge Locker and Michelle Harris. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta and Kristina Samulewski. Our executive producer is Annie-Rose Strasser.
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