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20:50Now PlayingIn this live conversation, Preet Bharara is joined by ABC News Chief Washington Correspondent, Jonathan Karl. They kick off the conversation with an inside peek into Karl’s new book, "Retribution: Donald Trump and the Campaign That Changed America," which offers rare behind-the-scenes stories into Trump’s return to power. Jon shares a wild vignette from the book about an elevator outage at Trump Tower that forced Trump to walk down some 55 flights of stairs as he was headed to appear in court for his New York trial.
They then dig into the government shutdown, the longest ever in U.S. history and why eight Democratic senators voted with Republicans on a deal. What leverage did Democrats have? Did GOP tolerance for weakened federal apparatus blunt Democratic pressure? Do we have a political verdict on who “won”?
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