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Why modern people still need God, Myths and Magic... Caleb Woodbridge and Damien Walter
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1:20:16Now PlayingPhilip Pullman once described C.S. Lewis's Narnia stories as a “filthy lie.” But is that fair? And what does the clash between these two literary giants reveal about faith, imagination, morality and meaning?
In this episode of Unbelievable, host John Nelson is joined by Christian writer and podcaster Caleb Woodbridge and science-fiction author, critic and YouTuber Damien Walter for a wide-ranging discussion on the theology of fiction, the enduring appeal of myth, and whether stories can point us towards truth.
The conversation explores Pullman's long-standing criticisms of Lewis, including the controversial "problem of Susan" in The Last Battle, Lewis's portrayal of innocence, authority and judgment, and whether Narnia promotes a harmful vision of Christianity. Along the way, they discuss Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy, liberal humanism, secular spirituality, science fiction, Star Wars, Doctor Who, the role of imagination, and the search for meaning in an age of disenchantment.
Can myths reveal something true about reality? Is Christianity simply one mythology among many, or what Lewis called a "true myth"? And why do both believers and sceptics continue to find themselves drawn to stories that point beyond the material world?
Whether you're a fan of Narnia, His Dark Materials, fantasy, science fiction, theology or philosophy, this conversation offers a thoughtful exploration of some of the deepest questions raised by fiction.
Guests:
• Caleb Woodbridge – writer, speaker and author of the Bigger on the Inside Substack, exploring the intersections of story, faith and imagination.
• Damian Walter – science fiction author, critic and host of the Science Fiction YouTube channel, exploring the stories and ideas shaping our culture.
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