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12:46Now PlayingSam speaks with Ibrahim Al-Marashi, Associate Professor of History at the California State University San Marcos, to discuss his recent writing on the Wagner Group and Blackwater.
Ibrahim Al-Marashi then dives right into Blackwater’s blueprint for the Wagner Group, and the role of South Africa’s Executive Outcomes in setting the stage for them both, exploring how these three groups were the outcome of their nations capitalizing on the demobilization of state military by funding independent mercenary groups that largely work outside of any accountability apparatus, be it international of public. Expanding on this, Al-Marashi walks through the immense role Blackwater played in US involvement in Iraq, helping commit atrocities in the US’ name without requiring a greater loss of US soldiers, before expanding on the Wagner Group’s relationship to Russia beyond its role in Ukraine, with its operations largely located in Africa, where they’ve spent time warlording and extracting from local communities, all while Russia denied operations in the region. Wrapping up, Sam and Ibrahim walk through the conflict between state militaries and contracted forces, and explore the role that has, and will continue to play in Russia’s floundering invasion of Ukraine.
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