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16:03Now PlayingThis debate starts with the guest supporting Trump because he believes immigration enforcement makes the country safer. He strongly backs ICE and argues they’re a net positive for public safety. As we walk through the reckless and harmful actions taken by ICE, his confidence starts to crack. Surprisingly, we find a lot of common ground along the way. By the end, he agrees he needs to do more research and seems genuinely open to changing his mind.
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