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16:39Now PlayingIn this debate, we talk about the importance of upholding democratic norms and respecting the rule of law. My guest supports Trump’s actions toward Venezuela, including the idea of capturing Maduro, and believes those actions were justified. We walk through the real implications of that approach and what it means for international law and U.S. credibility. To his credit, he remains open-minded and genuinely listens to the points being made. By the end, it’s clear he has a lot more to think about.
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