JEFFREY EPSTEIN WAS A MADE UP PERSON?

What would you do if you knew your messages weren’t private?

Well, today’s guest has spent decades working with presidents and billionaires, and he says privacy is largely an illusion…

Gavin DeBecker is the founder of one of the most elite security firms in the world. His company specialises in preventing assassinations and protecting some of the most powerful people alive.

When there is a serious risk to a head of state or a public figure, he is often the person they call.

The night before this interview, Tony Robbins sent me a voice note describing Gavin as probably the single greatest security expert in the world. He spoke about how Gavin deciphered a threat against him in microseconds and stopped it within days. That made me even more curious about the man sitting across from me.

In this episode, we cover:

- If a government wants access to your phone, is there actually any way to stop them?

- How does blackmail actually work at the highest levels of power?

- Why were there “unnamed co-conspirators” in the Epstein plea deal?

- Are powerful institutions protecting the public, or protecting themselves?

- How is fear used as a tool to divide populations and maintain control?

There’s a moment in this conversation where I tell Gavin that I grew up believing the system mostly worked. That courts were fair, and that institutions acted in good faith. Even as I started interviewing intelligence officials and world leaders, part of me still held onto that belief.

Gavin’s life work is built around one core idea - your intuition is your built-in defence system. He says we’ve been trained to override it with logic and social pressure.

Making very slow decisions about who you include in your life, and very fast decisions about who you exclude, is how you sharpen your intuition.

If you want to understand how safety, power, fear and leverage really work at the highest levels, this episode is for you.

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