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11:56Now PlayingTwo years before Vivek Ramaswamy joined Trump's government efficiency push, he sat down with progressive host David Pakman and laid out the exact theory that would later drive that effort: an unelected "managerial class" running the country regardless of who wins elections.
In this clip, watch how the conversation gets there. Pakman tells a story about sitting near a table of MAGA voters in Chicago, describing it as an "incredible sociological experience" — and admits the voters didn't even know Vivek's name, just calling him "that Indian guy." Vivek uses that moment to explain why the real divide in America isn't Republican versus Democrat, but citizens versus an entrenched managerial class — and shuts down Pakman's comparison to MAGA conspiracy theories with one word: facile.
Watch the full exchange and decide who actually understood what was happening in this country.
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