The Realist
August 8, 2025
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as posted by the channelSoviet dissidents have long admired the United States and its Founding Fathers for their attachment to a moral core, the basis for individual human liberty. So what happens when American power is used not for moral interests but for solely pragmatic ones?
Host Garry Kasparov is joined by George Friedman, the founder and chairman of Geopolitical Futures () , a firm that analyzes foreign policy and forecasts global events. George’s view of the worlddrawn from the experience of his family fleeing Nazis in Eastern Europeechoes Henry Kissinger’s geopolitical philosophyrealism, not idealism. Garry and George consider whether realism is realistic, and what the future of American foreign policy means for democracy at home.
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