The UFO Narrative Is Collapsing | What They're Really Hiding

What if alien disclosure and the UFO files we’re being promised are built on a lie? What if the “aliens” everyone expects to meet aren’t simply extraterrestrial visitors with advanced technology and humanity’s best interests in mind?

Nathaniel Gillis returns to the studio for a mind-bending conversation that tears apart the modern UFO narrative and reframes the phenomenon from the ground up. Drawing from occult history, demonology, biblical scholarship, and firsthand research, Nathaniel argues that what we are seeing may not be extraterrestrial at all, but something far older, capable of manipulating perception, projecting forms, and hiding behind masks humanity has mythologized for centuries. From orbs that shift into apparitions, to physiological “constructs,” to ancient necromancy and Ezekiel’s warning about those who “hunt the souls of men,” this discussion explores the possibility that disclosure itself is being carefully curated while the deeper esoteric reality remains hidden. They wrestle with initiation rituals, hybridism, apports, sigils, government secrecy, and the unsettling idea that the phenomenon may replicate reality itself to anchor into our world. If true, this isn’t just about UFOs, it’s about a spiritual war that predates modern language and continues behind the veil.

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