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Mila, a transgender intersex person from Colorado, calls in to argue that the trans community should emphasize biological explanations of gender rather than social ones when advocating for rights. She believes framing gender dysphoria as a "disorder of sexual development" would provide stronger legal and medical protections. Hosts Ben and Luxander push back hard, arguing that biological arguments are less effective with general audiences, can be weaponized for gatekeeping, and use unnecessarily pathologizing language. The conversation grows contentious as they struggle to identify who exactly these biological arguments are meant to convince, with Mila giving conflicting answers about target audiences. Ben expresses visible frustration as the debate goes in circles, leading to an awkward conclusion.
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