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Actual vs Imaginary Causes: The Most Pointless God Debate Ever? | Justin DZ & Sara
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Aditya from India calls in to present an "argument from change" for God's existence, but the conversation derails almost immediately. When he claims that potentials cannot actualize themselves without something actual, Justin flatly disagrees and challenges why we shouldn't accept an infinite chain of actualization. The hosts grow increasingly frustrated as Aditya tries to distinguish between "linear" and "hierarchical" series of causation, with Justin pointing out that a stationary sequence isn't really a sequence at all. The tension escalates when Justin repeatedly has to tell Aditya to stop eating in front of his microphone. Eventually, Justin asks for the full argument at once rather than building it premise by premise, but the call drops before completion. Justin and Sara express relief, noting the argument was obviously heading toward a first cause claim that wouldn't have been persuasive anyway.
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