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After a horrendous weekend on TV, Rudy Giuliani decided to sit down with The New Yorker for another interview, hoping that he wouldn’t screw up as bad as he did on the Sunday morning shows. He failed. Not only did he fail, but he accidentally admitted that there are tapes of Trump. Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins explains the latest developments.
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Rudy Giuliani has not had a good couple of days and in fact every time he speaks to a reporter or a TV host, he just seems to be making things worse for the president. See you on Sunday. Giuliani. Spoke to both the times and to, uh, NBC's Meet the Press where he mentioned that Donald Trump's Trump tower Moscow meetings or talks or negotiations or whatever it was. Yeah. Those weren't on throughout Donald Trump's entire presidential campaign contradicting what Trump himself and the rest of the administration had been saying for months. They said, no, this ended before he even ran for president. Then Giuliani goes out there. Tools, multiple different outlets that. No, no, no. They were, they were doing this the whole time. The entire time he was running for president, they were still trying to make this deal happen, which as many of us know, this deal is obviously the kind of centerpiece of potential collusion.
Maybe this was used as leverage by one party over the other. Who knows, but Giuliani says, yeah, they, they never stopped talking about that. And then later in the day he had to come out and say why? Yeah, I was, I was wrong about that. I, I was, I was speaking hypothetically, is what he said. He says this was hypothetical. So they were only hypothetically still talking about Trump tower all throughout the campaign. I don't think that Giuliani knows what hypothetical means. Uh, but sure. Okay. Why not? Yeah, it was hypothetical. They weren't actually talking, but they could have hypothetically been talking. Uh, and then he made things even worse than that, if you can imagine it. He spoke to the New Yorker in an interview published on Monday, uh, where he was talking about the Buzzfeed story with Michael Cohen. And he said, I knew from the start that this Koan story was bogus because I've heard all the tapes.
In fact, this is exactly, exactly what he says. Ah, I've been through all the tapes. I have been through all the techs. I have been through all the emails and I knew none existed. None existed. Being instances of Trump telling Cohen to lie. And then basically when the special counsel said that, just in case there are any others I might not know about, they probably went through others and found the same thing to which the reporter then asked, wait, what? What tapes have you gone through in Giuliani responds, I shouldn't have said tapes. They allege there were texts and emails that corroborated that Cohen was saying that the president told him to lie. There were no texts, there were no emails on the president, never told him to lie. Reporter then follows up. So there were no tapes he listened to though Giuliani says no tapes.
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