Trump's Former White House Counsel Hit With Subpoena From Grand Jury

Pat Cipollone, Donald Trump's former White House counsel, has been hit with a subpoena from a federal grand jury as part of the DOJ's ongoing investigation into the fake elector scheme. Cipollone testified in a closed-door session before the January 6th Committee last month, so it isn't surprising that the DOJ would also want to speak with him. But other recent developments could underscore how serious this subpoena is, as Ring of Fire's Farron Cousins explains.

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Former White House council Pat Cipollone has been subpoenaed by the Department of Justice's grand jury investigating the fake elector scheme and other events surrounding January 6th. Cipollone now becomes one of the highest ranking officials from the Trump administration to receive a subpoena and the subpoena comes after Cipollone sat last week with the January 6th select committee, testified behind closed doors for many, many hours and he talked about a multitude of things. He talked about how members of the cabinet, you know, could possibly have used the 25th amendment. He talked about how he wanted Donald Trump to intervene and get the rioters to go home sooner. And of course, Donald Trump didn't listen to that. Of course they didn't use the 25th amendment, but he did cooperate with the January 6th committee and now he's been subpoenaed by the DOJs grand jury. And here is why this is significant.

Because shortly after Cipollone had testified in front of the January 6th committee, it was announced later last week that the January 6th committee has finally agreed to start sharing depositions with the Department of Justice. Um, I, I, I will say that's probably something that maybe should have happened, you know, when the committee first started, but better late than never, I guess. So now the DOJ has their hands or can get their hands on all of the information that the January 6th committee has already gotten from these witnesses. So I do think it is very telling that Cipollone goes and testifies. Then the committee says, hey, DOJ, you can have all our stuff. The DOJ starts looking at it and then says, okay, wow, we're gonna need to subpoena Pat Cipollone because here's the thing. Just because the DOJ can get their hands on these January 6th depositions doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to use those as part of their investigation. What it really is, is a roadmap. It lets them know who they need to talk to and quite possibly what specific avenues they need to go down when talking to these specific people, right?

Consider the January 6th committee depositions like the preliminaries, you know, we're just trying to weed out information. Do you know stuff? Do you not know stuff? Do you have explosive revelations or are you just a little too boring? You didn't know anything, whatever. Move about your day. That saves the DOJ a lot of time, right? They can go through these other depositions now and see, okay, this individual here, there's nothing we need from them obviously. This one, we wanted to talk about this, but then they said this other thing. So we definitely need to go that route. Maybe there's other people to subpoena, talk to them about who else is involved. Maybe we have questions the committee didn't ask. There's all sorts of things the DOJ can do with this information and honestly, I feel like that's what they're doing with Cipollone. They know he testified, they know the things he talked about. And now based on that, they're saying, we're gonna need you to come talk to us as part of our ongoing criminal investigation. So Cipollone must have told the January 6th committee something pretty good for the DOJ to look at that and say, okay, now it's our turn.