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49:01Now PlayingA Lebanese Muslim SWAT/DEA task-force operator and a Christian ex-junkie should not make sense in the same room.
But Ayman Kafel and Ben Owen ended up on the same side of the same fight.
Ayman survived civil war, enlisted after 9/11, fought in Iraq, served in law enforcement, worked SWAT/DEA task-force operations, and founded Project Sapient. Ben came out of addiction, homelessness, and the streets of Memphis to build We Fight Monsters and Owen Army—turning pain into purpose and helping people escape addiction, trafficking, violence, and hopelessness.
This conversation is about faith, brotherhood, trauma, war, policing, undercover narcotics, addiction, recovery, and why real warriors recognize each other even when the world says they should be enemies.
This is not a left/right conversation.
This is not a Christian vs. Muslim conversation.
This is two men who have seen darkness—and decided to fight it.
👇 Join the fight:
Owen Army: owenarmy.com
We Fight Monsters: wefightmonsters.org
Project Sapient / Ayman Kafel: projectsapient.com
#AymanKafel #BenOwen #WeFightMonsters
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