Psychosis Maxing With Candace Owens

<p>In this episode, Simone & Malcolm Collins dive deep into the escalating conspiracy theories from Candace Owens’ world—especially after Charlie Kirk’s assassination. From Charlie being a time traveler who attended a secret “X-Men school” for gifted kids, to Brigitte Macron (and Michelle Obama) secretly being men, Harvard as a Mossad base, Frankist cults running the world, the Bolshevik Revolution, 9/11, JFK, fake moon landings, dinosaurs being “fake and gay,” and the infamous Egyptian planes surveillance plot... we break it all down.</p><p>Is this audience capture on steroids? AI-induced psychosis? Genuine belief amplified by massive Patreon money ($200k+/month)? Or just the most entertaining grift in conservative media right now? We plausibility-check where things aren’t totally insane (spy recruitment on campuses is real!), laugh at the absurdity, and explore why her follower count exploded in 2025.</p><p>You can find Simone’s Reality Fabricator scenario in which you experience a world as Candace Owens where all her conspiracy theories are real here: https://rfab.ai/share/adventure/youre-candace-owens-and-all-your-conspiracy-theori</p><p>Simone outlined this episode, so the notes (and some text screenshots) follow and the transcript can be found after. :)The Candice bot: <a href="https://rfab.ai/share/adventure/youre-candace-owens-and-all-your-conspiracy-theori" target="_blank">https://rfab.ai/share/adventure/youre-candace-owens-and-all-your-conspiracy-theori</a> RFab is finally mostly stable: </p><p>https://rfab.ai/</p><p> Our Substack: https://basedcamppodcast.substack.com/</p><p>Patreon: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/SimoneAndMalcolmCollins" target="_blank">https://www.patreon.com/SimoneAndMalcolmCollins</a></p><p>Discord: <a href="https://discord.com/invite/EGFRjwwS92" target="_blank">https://discord.com/invite/EGFRjwwS92</a></p><p>The School: <a href="https://parrhesia.io/student-signup" target="_blank">https://parrhesia.io/student-signup</a></p><p>App to talk with kids: </p><p>https://wizling.ai/</p><p>Episode Notes</p><p>Candace Owens has gone so off the reservation that we’ve got to talk about it. </p><p>The latest from Candace Owens is that she claims he’s a time traveler based on joking, flirty texts he sent her. </p><p><a href="https://x.com/CinemaShogun/status/2011619663348957584" target="_blank">Writes Cinema Shogun on X</a>: Candace Owens is now saying that Charlie Kirk was marked since a child because he had special powers. She thinks he could possibly see into the future. And claims he went to a secret school for kids with gifted abilities like the X-Men. That’s where we’re at folks.</p><p>* <a href="https://x.com/CinemaShogun/status/2011619663348957584" target="_blank">He posts a clip of her talking about this followed by the X-men intro—love it</a></p><p>I had not realized how far it had gotten. </p><p>And yet Candace Owens has a huge following:</p><p>* <a href="https://x.com/RealCandaceO" target="_blank">7.5M followers on X</a></p><p>* For scale:</p><p>* <a href="https://x.com/imbrettcooper" target="_blank">Brett Cooper—also part of the Daily Wire cinematic universe—has 538.8K</a></p><p>* <a href="https://x.com/benshapiro" target="_blank">Ben Shapiro has 8M</a></p><p>* <a href="https://x.com/Asmongold" target="_blank">Asmongold has 1.2M</a></p><p>* <a href="https://x.com/elonmusk" target="_blank">Elon Musk has 2342.5M</a></p><p>* <a href="https://x.com/realDonaldTrump" target="_blank">Donald Trump has 109.3M</a></p><p>* <a href="https://x.com/hasanthehun" target="_blank">Hasan Piker has 1.6M</a></p><p>* <a href="https://x.com/GretaThunberg" target="_blank">Greta Thunberg has 5.1M</a></p><p>* <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@realcandaceo" target="_blank">5.74M subscribers on YouTube</a></p><p>* <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@BenShapiro" target="_blank">Ben Shapiro has 7.13M</a></p><p>* <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@bbrettcooper" target="_blank">Brett Cooper</a> (who split off from Daily Wire __ after Candace Owens) has 1.68M</p><p>* <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@AsmonTV" target="_blank">Asmongold has 4.31M</a></p><p>* <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@HasanAbi" target="_blank">Hasan Piker has 1.77M</a></p><p>* <a href="https://www.patreon.com/candaceowens" target="_blank">11.8K members on Patreon</a></p><p>* Her membership starts at $20/month, so minimally she’ making 20*11,860= $237,200/month. </p><p>* Minimal tiers allows people to: “Submit questions and comments to have answered/discussed in the final segment of “A Shot In the Dark”. This will be the only pool of questions selected from.”</p><p>So I decided to explore:</p><p>* What exactly Candace Owens is claiming</p><p>* Whether her apparent psychosis is AI psychosis, audience-driven psychosis, good ol’ fashioned psychosis, or a mix</p><p>* What role her audience plays: Are they egging her on for entertainment, intentionally worsening her psychosis? Do they believe what she’s saying? </p><p>Candace Owens’ Claims</p><p>The Antisemetic Theories</p><p>I think these may be the most important, as I think they lead to a surge in support (as antisemitism is on the rise and her expression of it is uniquely entertaining)</p><p>* Owens has alleged that Jews founded Israel as part of a “cult” linked to the Frankist sect, involved in crimes against Christians during Passover. </p><p>* She has claimed Jews orchestrated the Bolshevik Revolution to exterminate Christians, that Harvard University serves as a Mossad base, that Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks, and that the Holocaust is exaggerated or fabricated (calling Elie Wiesel a “liar”). </p><p>* She has also suggested critics of Israel fear for their lives and that Jews assassinated JFK. These claims have been labeled as promoting antisemitic tropes.</p><p>The Transgender Conspiracies</p><p>* I knew about the Macron conspiracies:</p><p>* That Brigitte Macron, France’s first lady, was born male (named Jean-Michel Trogneux, her brother’s name), leading to a 2025 defamation lawsuit from the Macrons. </p><p>* Side note that she also claims the Macrons:</p><p>* Are plotting her assassination</p><p>* are complicit in Charlie Kirk’s murder (via French involvement in global conspiracies)</p><p>* What I did NOT know was that she made similar baseless allegations about other women like Michelle Obama and Kamala Harris, suggesting these are part of a broader pattern where powerful women’s achievements “defy traditional norms.</p><p>The Fake and Gay Series</p><p>She has referred to some things as “fake and gay” though sadly in this case “gay” is meant as a slang pejorative and not an additional conspiracy about gay men conspiring to do things, which would have been entertaining. </p><p>Moon Landing</p><p>Owens has described the Apollo moon landings as “fake and gay,” hosting conspiracy theorist Bart Sibrel on her podcast to promote the idea that they were staged (possibly by Stanley Kubrick). She later clarified on Bill Maher’s podcast that she doesn’t care enough about the topic to fully endorse it as a hoax</p><p>Dinosaurs</p><p>She has called dinosaurs “fake and gay” and suggested the moon landing denial ties into broader skepticism of official narratives. Owens has also promoted Gnostic-inspired ideas, viewing certain events (like Kirk’s assassination) through a lens of ancient heresies where hidden knowledge reveals elite control</p><p>Social and Political Conspiracies</p><p>She has called dinosaurs “fake and gay” and suggested the moon landing denial ties into broader skepticism of official narratives. Owens has also promoted Gnostic-inspired ideas, viewing certain events (like Kirk’s assassination) through a lens of ancient heresies where hidden knowledge reveals elite control</p><p>The Charlie Kirk Conspiracies</p><p>* The Assassination Plot</p><p>* Owens alleged Kirk was shot from below the stage, with the assassin escaping through tunnels. </p><p>* She tied the killing to Israel (suggesting Mossad involvement due to Kirk’s shifting views on Israel), TPUSA insiders, American Israel supporters, the French military, and evangelical churches. </p><p>* She also linked it to Kirk’s trip to Asia and claimed it was part of a larger cover-up, dismissing debunking reports as Mossad propaganda.</p><p>* The Erika Kirk component</p><p>* Owens insists she is not implicating Erika Kirk in Charlie Kirk’s murder; she more broadly implies that TPUSA may be involved</p><p>* Some of her fans have more explicitly accused Erika Kirk</p><p>* The Egyptian planes component</p><p>* Owens has claimed that Egyptian military or surveillance aircraft (specifically identifying planes like SU-BTT and SU-BND via flight-tracking data from sources such as ADS-B Exchange) were repeatedly tracking or overlapping with the locations of Erika Kirk (Charlie’s widow and current TPUSA CEO), and to a lesser extent Charlie himself, over several years.</p><p>* On the day of the assassination (September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University in Provo, Utah), Owens claimed at least one (or both) of these Egyptian planes was present or “powered on” at Provo Airport. She said one took off shortly after, while the other remained grounded; passengers allegedly received rental cars (possibly linked to Duncan Aviation), implying operatives or foreign entities on the ground.</p><p>* She has referenced tips (including from unnamed “federal agents”) warning her to stop discussing the planes, and alleged TPUSA pressured her to drop it, adding to her narrative of cover-up.</p><p>* X-Men style school for gifted children: </p><p>* Owens claimed Kirk was “marked” as a child due to exceptional abilities (e.g., off-the-charts test scores, potential telekinesis or foresight). She alleged agents wanted to drug him for behavioral issues, but his mother refused, leading to his placement in a special “school for the gifted” akin to the X-Men academy (possibly referring to programs like GATE or schools such as Quest Academy in Illinois). Owens said he was monitored by government agents his whole life, required security early on, and that she herself was recruited for a similar program but “pretended to be an idiot” to escape. Critics note Kirk attended public schools like Wheeling High School and did not graduate college, contradicting the elite “X-Men” narrative.</p><p>* To be fair, arguably school teachers are government agents</p><p>* And it’s super common for teachers / school administrators to insinuate to parents that they should medicate their kids (likely doubly so for smart, energetic young boys)</p><p>* I think both of us were in GATE and it was not even remotely remarkable</p><p>* Time traveler claim: </p><p>* Owens stated it is an “absolute fact” that Kirk believed he was a time traveler, based on private text messages where he allegedly said he “had to find her” and knew he would die young to “change outcomes.” She speculated this tied into the CIA’s “Project Looking Glass,” a conspiracy theory about a time-viewing device from ancient Sumeria linked to the Mandela Effect (e.g., false collective memories like a missing cornucopia in the Fruit of the Loom logo). Owens suggested Kirk could see the future and was “targeted by powerful forces” because of it.</p><p>* So with this we have the texts he sent her, which explain the time traveler part</p><p>* But where did she get the impression Charlie thought he would die young?</p><p>* In her January 14, 2026 podcast episode titled “PROJECT LOOKING GLASS: How Did Charlie Know He Was Going To Die?” (episode 290 of her Candace show), Owens explicitly states that Kirk repeatedly told her he was a time traveler and expressed foreknowledge of dying young. She claims he tied this to his work with TPUSA, saying things like:</p><p>* From the beginning of TPUSA, he “knew in his gut that [he] might get wiped out at any time” and dreamed about it frequently.</p><p>* He was “not sure if [he] would live to see the end of this revolution” and believed Owens was the person meant to “finish the fight” after him.</p><p>* He predicted his death would be a “tragic event” connected to the organization, and that he would die young as part of a larger mission or predetermined outcome.</p><p>* Owens has referenced and reportedly shown screenshots of these text exchanges on her show (or in related discussions), describing them as proof that Kirk “knew he was going to die young” and viewed it as necessary to “change outcomes” or timelines. She claims she initially dismissed these as casual or joking remarks (including the time traveler bit, where he said he “had to find” her), but reinterpreted them after his September 2025 assassination as evidence of genuine foresight—possibly linked to conspiracy theories like the CIA’s “Project Looking Glass” (a supposed time-viewing technology).</p><p>Candace Owens’ Audience</p><p>Do her fans believe what she’s saying?</p><p>* Some posts suggest so</p><p>* For example, <a href="https://x.com/thereallorilove/status/2012259328045031707/photo/1" target="_blank">Lori Love, who has over 19K followers on X, defended Owens’ time traveler claims by pointing to Candace Owens sharing of the text exchange screenshot</a>, writing: “Candace claims Charlie Kirk was a time traveler. She’s insane! She’s psychotic!” Correction: Charlie Kirk said he was a time traveler.</p><p>* BTW Lori Love describes herself as: “Freelance Graphic Designer ✨ Communications ✍🏼 Politics & Culture - America First 🇺🇸 End Government Tyranny ✝️ Christ is the way, the truth, and the life”</p><p>Are her fans trolling her and egging her on?</p><p>Yes, and not just her fans.</p><p><a href="https://x.com/RealCandaceO/status/2011254525060104539" target="_blank">The Daily Wire trolls her too</a>, e.g. by making fake Egyptian Air advertisements <a href="https://x.com/CandaceOwensPod/status/2011233164488847570" target="_blank">riffing on her Egyptian planes conspiracy</a>. </p><p>She also encourages them to do so, <a href="https://x.com/RealCandaceO/status/2011579187853963703" target="_blank">with posts like</a> “Question for “conspiracy theorists”, only. What’s the real reason the deep state is suddenly obsessed with seizing Greenland?”</p><p>Candace Owens’ Psychosis</p><p>In favor of AI psychosis</p><p>2025 was the first year when AI psychosis arose</p><p>HOWEVER, Owens was known for being a conspiracy theorist from 2018 onward:</p><p>* Reporting describes her as a “pro‑Trump conspiracy theorist” whose rise in right‑wing media was tied to claims such as suggesting that mail bombs sent to Trump critics in October 2018 were actually a left‑wing “false flag,” a claim she deleted after the suspect was identified as a Trump supporter.</p><p>* By 2020, she was publicly questioning official Covid‑19 death figures and attacking Bill Gates as a “vaccine criminal,” part of broader anti‑vaccine and pandemic‑related conspiracy rhetoric.</p><p>In favor of Fan-Driven Psychosis</p><p>Candace got big because of Charlie Kirk’s assassination.</p><p>* 2019: 0.6M; 2020: 0.9M; 2021: 1.2M subscribers (steady early growth).</p><p>* 2022: 1.4M; 2023: 1.5M; 2024: 1.52M subscribers (moderate growth).</p><p>* 2025: about 5.6M subscribers, reflecting rapid expansion documented by multiple analytics snapshots and fact‑checking of her social‑media footprint</p><p>In favor of Normal Psychosis</p><p>There is no reliable public evidence that Candace Owens has family members with psychosis or schizophrenia, and she has not disclosed such a family history in credible biographical or news sources.</p><p>THAT SAID: She seems to have a general tendency to think in a schizo manner that stems back to her early career, well before she became really famous or before AI hit the scene:</p><p>* In 2016, during the “Social Autopsy” controversy and her entry into Gamergate circles, Owens blamed a progressive gamer and “the Left” for doxxing her despite scant evidence, an early example of attributing coordinated hidden malice without substantiation.</p><p>Episode Transcript</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> [00:00:00] But actually this makes way more sense.</p><p>Oh, no. Oh God. Are is this just gonna be where like I tell you Candace o’s conspiracy theory and you’re like, well, but that’s right, Simone.</p><p>So you’re not gonna respond to the nine 11, the, Bolshevik Revolution claim. The Harvard University is Mossad base. Just, we’re just putting it out there. First</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> of all, Harvard University could be a masad base. That would not be like a crazy thing. You know what?</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> No, I don’t want your response.</p><p>We’re just gonna go. No, hold on. No. We need a plausibility check. No. Whatcha doing? I’m trying to say she’s psychotic and you’re like,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> me too. Me too. Do, no, I’m I you, it’s important that you point out where her things aren’t that crazy. Okay. so first of all spy operations have repeatedly throughout history, used university campuses, specific university campuses Yeah.</p><p>For recruiting new assets and agents.</p><p>I wanna talk about the word conspiracy theorist you’re using here. Okay. Yeah.</p><p>Okay, fair.</p><p>Would you like to know [00:01:00] more?</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Hello, Malcolm. I am so excited to be speaking with you today because Candace Owens has gone off the reservation so much that I think we need to talk about it.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> What was the</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> recent</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> one you were telling me this morning and I was like, what the, she thought that Charlie Kirk was trained at a school like for gifted children, like in the X-Men with special telepathic power.</p><p>Well, first, the</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> first thing that like really caught my attention was that she, she claimed that Charlie Kirk was a time traveler based on basically a, a joking flirty text that he sent to her where she texted him, I’m an alien frowny face. And he responded, I think I’m a time traveler. This is my home, but I think you found me.</p><p>And time traveled with me. And she took that and just ran with it. This wasn’t like, you know, she’s just gonna like, I’m gonna take things hard, literally. And, someone else put it better than I did. Right. With regard to the X-Men thing cinnamon Shogun on X wrote Candace Owens is now [00:02:00] saying that Charlie Kirk has, was marked since a child because he has special powers she thinks he could possibly see into the future, and claims he went to a secret school for kids with gifted abilities like the X-Men.</p><p>That’s where we’re at, folks. And he posts a clip of her talking about this followed by the X-Men intro, which, which I absolutely love.</p><p><strong>Speaker 11:</strong> Charlie may have been marked since he was a child. We’ve discussed these gait programs that they have in school, and I just think on the basis of what he told me, that when he was really young, they wanted to drug him, but his mother said no and he was really grateful for that, and instead they decided that they could send him to this X-Men School.</p><p>That’s the best way I can describe it. I would certainly, by the way, for you Internets, I’d like to find out which school, Charlie. Had to attend. So he was pulled out of the regular school he was attending and he had to go to some special school for the gifted like he was next [00:03:00] man.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Yeah. So, I mean, I love</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> the, actually going into this. You, you went over this with me this morning. I’m like, Simone, you have multiple times. Recently told me something crazy.</p><p>Candace Owens said, yeah. That you were agha at Yeah. We need to make an episode on all of her because her her worldview, I wanna live in her mind. Yeah. It must be the craziest world. Yeah. She just, and, and actually your whole thesis was this. Because you wanted to find out what kind of crazy was she? Yes.</p><p>Was she like audience captured? Was she like having genuine psychosis? Yeah. What</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> flavor of psychosis does she have? Is this like old school psychosis? Is this audio audience capture psychosis or is this AI induced psychosis? And so what we’re gonna do in this episode is we are going to go through her conspiracy theories and we’re gonna look at, you know, has her audience kind of egged this on, and then we’re gonna, we’re [00:04:00] gonna come to a conclusion.</p><p>What, what, like it, or is she just like, maxing isn’t all of them it, because it, I mean, we’re gonna go into it though, but I just, I wanna point out though. Just how wild it is. Before I even give you the full depth of all of her conspiracy theories, just how, how many followers she has. So on X she has 7.5 million followers.</p><p>And for scale, Rhett Cooper, who’s also part of like the daily Wire cinematic universe, and also someone who left The Daily Wire, though more recently she, compared to Candace Owens, 7.5 million has just 536,800. Ben Shapiro has 8 million, so only 500,000 more than Candace Owens. Who’s, who’s more of an up and comer than, you know, like she’s newer to the scene than Ben Shapiro, which she, she’s</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> moneyed interest backing her like he does.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Yeah, I know, right? So this is like really impressive. She’s just a crazy person. [00:05:00] Yeah. Asma Gold has 1.2 million. Elon Musk has. Well, I think what. Sorry, like 242.5 million. Donald Trump, 109 million Hassan Piker, 1.6 million. Greta Thunberg, 5.1 million. So just to give you kind of like a landscape, Candace Owens is at the higher end.</p><p>She’s obviously not at like Donald Trump or Elon Musk level, but she’s above Asman Gold, just a tiny bit below Ben Shapiro on YouTube. She has 5.74 million subscribers. Ben Shapiro Shapiro has 7.13 million. Brett Cooper who only left the Daily wear fairly recently has just 1.68 million. Mond Gold has 4.3, so Candace Owens has more subscribers on YouTube than Aspen Gold.</p><p>Even though like Aspen Gold, I think speaks for the typical centrist American who’s online, whereas Candace Owens speaks to like. Someone wearing a tinfoil hat. And, but this is</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> the thing, this, the, the, the, the, the scale and scope of her [00:06:00] conspiracy that we get it to them. These are not like us dunking on Candace Owens for like being wrong.</p><p>Like, it’s not even, like, these aren’t even things worth like debunking or differences of political opinion. Charlie Kirk was not a times traveler raised with special power. So that’s what you think.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> I mean, who were we to say? But we are gonna go into these No, no, no,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> no, no, no, no, no. Actually, I know we can joke about this, but the point that I’m making here is, this is not about us saying we have political differences with Candace Owens.</p><p>Oh, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no. This is, she, she’s</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> just, she is unhinged and yet even on Patreon, she has 11.8 K members and her membership starts at $20 per month. Though it also that I think that it’s 50 and then 75. But this is what I</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> love about Candace Owens. Oh, no. I wanna</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> point out that, that the ec, the unit economics of that work out to $237,200 per month.</p><p>Wow. Per month. Just from Patreon. That’s not including all of her, [00:07:00] her sponsorships, her YouTube revenue everything else that she gets. Like she’s making tons of, like, people are spending a lot of money. And the only reason they’re paying for that for the min, and this is assuming she gets only minimum to your payers.</p><p>And what you get for that is just the ability to quote, submit questions and comments to have answered or discussed in the final segment of a shot in the dark. This will be the only pool of questions selected from, and I feel like. Again, this is, this is gonna come in later as we, as we try to figure out what is driving her psychosis.</p><p>I almost feel like a, a, a very large number of those people do not believe at all in what she’s saying. They just want to make her more crazy and they’re paying $20 a month to be able to, to give her questions and comments that she has to read so that they can drive her more crazy. I,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> I, this is the thing about Candace Owens and her conspiracy.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Yeah.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Other, other people will pick up on [00:08:00] like preexisting conspiracy theories mm-hmm. And expand them. Uhhuh, Candace Owens invents and generates entirely new and intricate strains of conspiracy theory. And it may be</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> that this is a genre of entertainment that people very much like and enjoy and are willing to pay for.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> People say our show is conspiracy theories, no culture, but the West blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh my God.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Is she like the new Charles Dickens? ‘cause Charles Dickens has changed. You know, he serialized his books and then people would write into him and be like, you can’t kill this character.</p><p>Like, this has to happen. And he’s changed his plots because people have complained. Like he, he was the, the OG person subject to moderate amounts at least of audience capture. So</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> if he lived today, all of his characters would be gay and trans. They, they’d be like,</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> well, it depends on his audience. Right. I mean, Candace Owens is an example of like conservative Christian conspiracy theorist audience capture or like, I don’t know, troll audience capture.</p><p>Well, I think she, in her, in her, in her</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> extended fiction universe, the, the president Macron’s wife with a [00:09:00] man.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> So let’s, let’s just go, no, no, no. Let’s don’t jump the shark here. Let’s go through her claims one by one and we, we can actually, let’s start with the anti-Semitic ones. And I think this is really important ‘cause I think this might have been.</p><p>Something that really helped her get started even before the viron helped her get started. Antisemitism. Well, and the thing is I think there’s, there, her anti-Semitic theories may be among the most important because I think they led to a surge of support for her. Because anti-Semitism is totally on the rise.</p><p>We’ve gotten bumps when we post anti-Semitic content, so I could see how you would be even at, at the very least, subconsciously motivated to lean into anti-Semitic content. And her unique flavor of anti-Semitism, I think really feeds into something that the anti-Semitic, like fans of the internet extra like, because there’s a huge correlation between someone being anti-Semitic and very openly and enthusiastically anti-Semitic online, and then also wanting to [00:10:00] conflate Jews with conspiracy theories and Candace like.</p><p>Improv’s conspiracy. She’s like the jazz master of, of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> And I gotta point out here before you go further, we actually haven’t done any actually anti-Semitic videos, but we will sometimes intentionally try to make title cards, make it look as if the video is gonna be anti-Semitic, because I know it will do better if the average YouTube watcher thinks they’re about to watch something antisemitic.</p><p>But</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> a lot of the comments that we get when they are anti-Semitic, it’s like, well, the, the JOO or the, the like juice emoji are commenters are anti-Semitic. Yeah. Well, no, but not just that they’re anti-Semitic. The, the correlation between someone who makes an anti-Semitic comment who also is making a comment about Jews doing conspiracies, it is like 80%, 80% is gonna say something anti-Semitic.</p><p>They’re also gonna say something conspiratorial. Candace Owens is like, oh, so here’s what some of the things she said. No, actually,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> hold on. I just had a realization what, judaism is almost like [00:11:00] the Freemasons, were still a religion, you know, like all the, the conspiracy theories, like believe the Freemasons, like do this and do that and do that.</p><p>Yeah. Like the homework, the, the Simpson song. Yeah. Just like was was, was Judaism. It’s like they just found an actual group of people and ascribed it all to them.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Yeah, yeah. No, totally. And, and they love that. And that’s, I think that’s one of the though Charlie Kirk was the major inflection point for her.</p><p>The anti-Semitic stuff is like a very big engine for anyone in terms of growth, especially if they feed into conspiracy theories. So this is crucial in terms of what she’s actually argued with her anti-Semitic conspiracy theorizing. She has alleged that Jews founded Israel as part of a cult linked to Frankest, the Frankest sect.</p><p>She is, she’s the one who’s all about the Frankest sect. Who are the frankest? What’s, what’s the lore here? I haven’t, so she said that they were involved in crimes against Christians during Passover. I’ve not heard of Frankest from anyone but her and every time I try to [00:12:00] listen to her talk about it, I get real confused.</p><p>I don’t know if it’s because of my feminized brain being so stupid. You’ll, you’ll come to understand that Candace also realizes that women are not very smart, and if women aren’t successful positions, it’s probably because they’re really men. But yeah, I, I don’t. Quite understand. Okay. Hold on. I’ll</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> read, I’ll read a explanation of who she thinks they are.</p><p>Okay. Okay. The Frank is followers of the 18th century figure. Jacob Frank represented a secretive, a heretical cult that she describes as the preferred religion of the elites. She portrays them as, wait, but then how does this, how can</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> this have to do with crimes against Christians during</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Passover? Wait, wait, we’ll get there.</p><p>Okay. She describes them as devil worshipers who practice deception, inversion of morals and extreme transgressions, including PDA files incest and ritualistic crimes as part of their religious beliefs. Owens claims Frank, him is an offshoot or a continuation of [00:13:00] Sabom from the early false Messiah, Sabota Zevi.</p><p>Oh.</p><p>That face is me realizing that I got balsam ta confused with Shabot Levy, two figures who I think are bad figures from Jewish history. , But Jews would not think that Balsam TA was as bad as Shabot levy. , And so I was very embarrassed and then I was trying to remember if I had put that episode live yet, or if I had time to fix it, and I did not have time to fix it.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> But emphasizes it’s. Antinomian anti law nature where followers deliberately violate moral religious norms to achieve some form of spiritual elevation of power. I just realized I got, you can</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> understand how this just flies right over my</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> head, right. Knowing me. Yeah. Well, it actually makes sense.</p><p>So Shatai Levy really did practice those things. Mm-hmm. So, so you’re just</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> saying Candace Owens is right about everything. What about this? She claimed that Jews orchestrated the BOLs Bolshevik Revolution to exterminate [00:14:00] Christians and that Harvard University serves as a Mossad base, and that Israel was behind nine 11 and that the Holocaust was exaggerated or fabricated.</p><p>So sh</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> she has repeatedly stated that the frankest are not true Jews, but imposters who reject mainstream Judaism, which would be the case if they were followers of Zite Levy. Okay. And were excommunicated by rabbinical authorities. Instead they allegedly infiltrate other faiths such as Catholicism through false conversions to undermine or destroy Christian societies and empires.</p><p>Well then why would she</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> blame Israel for stuff? Unless Israel has actually infiltrated, or sorry, unless this sect has, the frankest has have successfully infiltrated all of like</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Well, okay, so if Frankest our descendants from Saboa Levy mm-hmm. It would be a branch from Judaism, but it would be a inversion of Judaism.</p><p>Like literally what she’s appetite Lieby believed was that you needed to invert all the laws of Judaism because we were in the Messianic period. And so that meant that morality had become inverted. Mm-hmm. I actually got this wrong, I think on yesterday’s video in editing. I thought it was [00:15:00] SEM who did that,</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> and two people at least were like, you got the wrong guy.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Yeah.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Confused him. Thanks guys. You guys are, you, you always fact check us and we really appreciate that fact.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Check us. I did not look it up and I was being stupid. Two very important figures from Jewish history around the same period. We’re</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> so bad with names.</p><p>But actually this makes way more sense.</p><p>Oh, no. Oh God. Are is this just gonna be where like I tell you Candace o’s conspiracy theory and you’re like, well, but that’s right, Simone.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> No, I’m not saying it makes, but what I’m saying is it’s a, it’s a coherent worldview. Okay. The idea. So, okay. So she’s a good spinner of conspiracy lore. Okay, so for people who don’t know, this is actually probably pretty important.</p><p>There was a period where around 40 to 30% of the Jewish community believed the Messiah had come. It was somebody named she Levy. He ended up converting to Islam. That doesn’t really matter, but he did believe in rule inversion. And the other thing that he was totally not above is attempting to influence other groups and stuff like that.</p><p>Like after the demoralization that came was [00:16:00] sabotage DE’s conversion into, islam. Yes. Islam missed Islam. You could say that his faction got really demoralized and they didn’t just get demoralized. It is true, absolutely true that portions of the factions that followed him went sort of underground because they were too embarrassed to admit that they still practiced some of these things from this guy who turned out to be a fraud who betrayed everyone.</p><p>And he’s the guy who I think is like the actual antichrist because he a complete inversion of Jesus. In terms of everything that he did. You can watch our track series on that. But from Candace Owen’s perspective, could some of these secret groups still exist and have power? Yeah, because she Levy did associate with groups that did have power.</p><p>Mm-hmm. Like conceivably, I can see how this conspiracy works in somebody’s mind. I don’t think it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s real more, but I would say is that if you’re looking, because I’ve always had a problem with this, where do you get like actual satanist from that makes no sense. Like. He’s the bad guy. Like, why are you following the [00:17:00] guy who in the book is like, there isn’t a, I remember when I was a kid, I asked my parents this once, I was like, why is anyone a satanist when we know like by the text he’s the bad guy, right?</p><p>I mean, the the real answer is, is that real world Satanists don’t actually worship Satan. They just say that they’re satanist to piss off Christians and then Yeah, they trolls. Yeah. But, but there is an actual real founded in reality, theological reason from reality inversion. If you believe in the metaphysics of Shabot Levy</p><p>Okay, so what I pulled up only brought up Candace’s Owens perception of this event. It didn’t bring up the real event that happened. And , I’m a little scared. I, yeah, I think, I think some fans are gonna think, Malcolm, you’re gonna crash out over this. I’m not gonna crash out. We’ll just go into it., It’s not like some became Catholics.</p><p>They all became Catholics. So let’s go into this. So Jacob Frank, after Shabot Levy was born 60 years later in the Ukraine, he claimed to be the [00:18:00] spiritual successor or reincarnation of Zevi. And also the biblical patriarch Jacob. He took the Antinomian idea much further. This is the idea that you should invert morality.</p><p>He taught that all existing religious laws, Jewish, Christian, and Muslim were created by evil forces and must be deliberately broken to reach. The ultimate redemption. His followers engaged in ritualized sexual transgressions, documented orgies, partner swapping, and , sources mentioned incest. The most famous incident was in 1756 in Laquon, where they were allegedly caught dancing around a semi-naked woman representing the AYA or the divine female presence after being persecuted by Jewish and Christian authorities. Frank persuaded several thousand followers, several thousand followers, to undergo a mass conversion to Catholicism. But it’s very clear that they kept their secret beliefs and still worshiped this individual, , while practicing OMI [00:19:00] idealists.</p><p>Now this is where I was like, wait, what? Like, ‘cause I thought the Catholic thing, you know, everyone’s always like, oh, it’s a Catholic’s, a Jews, the Catholic’s, a Jews, , none of the frankest. Stage Jews, none of them stage Jews, they are 100% in the Catholic church. That is the, the historical reality of this, if this is a conspiracy theory, it is a conspiracy theory about Catholicism.</p><p>Now I’m gonna argue , it’s not as bad as it sounds on the surf. It’s pretty bad, but it’s not as bad as it sounds on the surface. So let’s go a bit deeper here, because I was like, wait, this doesn’t make any sense. All of these people were born Jews, like in Jewish communities of like the 17 hundreds.</p><p>You don’t just randomly all become Catholics. , So I was trying to figure out what was going on here. You know, expressing doubt, right? And so, the reason it apparently worked is they say it’s a mix of strategic survival, theological beliefs and opportunism notice a sincere, , adoption of Catholic practices.</p><p>So they were facing incredibly heavy, , prosecution from Jewish authorities. So Frank’s teachings were extremely heretical, specifically to Jews. Obviously, if you’re creating an anti Judaism, [00:20:00] that would be heretical mostly to Jews. Because he promoted redemption through sin, deliberately breaking Jewish laws, including sexual taboos like orgi and incense as a mystical path.</p><p>, And so the Jewish community was obviously very, very angry at him and he wasn’t gonna be easily, really re accepted into this community with any sort of authority. So to escape this, Frank and his group turned to Catholic bishops and nobles for shelters. They cleverly, , told the church what they wanted to hear, that they rejected the Talmud, which Christians often criticized.</p><p>But accepted kabbalistic texts and claimed that those supported ideas like the Trinity, although they secretly meant their own Messiah, not Jesus, this positioned them as potential allies against Talmudic Judaism. And if anyone knows my thoughts on kabbalistic texts, obviously I am not a fan of this guy.</p><p>, So Frank’s own theology made. Conversion, a required step. Frank claimed divine revelations saying Christianity, specifically Catholicism was a temporary transitional stage to the future Messianic religion. He [00:21:00] would reveal it was part of descending into the kabbalistic symbol for, , Christianity and the Christian world as a necessary humiliation, redemption path.</p><p>So basically, if you’re being the opposite of a Jew and you need to go through this humiliation ritual or like opposite. Ritual Catholicism made sense to him. And so baptism was famed as a ritual act to reach higher spiritual levels. But specifically like a sinful ritual act like baptism was to him, like an orgy was to him.</p><p>, And more than that, the conversion opened doors. Paulette Catholic Nobles acted as grandparents to them, gave them names, titles, and integration into the upper gentry. . Which is crazy. , What’s interesting here is that, , this was all mostly fake from, apparently we know this from historical documents.</p><p>A classic , crypto religious movement, IE secret religious movement like the muranos in Spain centuries earlier, they kept secretly referring to Frank as their holy master. , They continued the omim [00:22:00] practices in private, , and they intermarried only among themselves to wait for the real religion to be revealed.</p><p>, The church grew suspicious and Frank was arrested in 1760 for feign conversion and heresy in prison 13 years later. So what’s interesting is after he disappeared, , we see mentions of people, , practicing things tied to this. , I think it was what I was looking at, like all the way until the late 18 hundreds, early 19 hundreds.</p><p>And, , v very interesting. , The being adopted into the upper ranks is sort of , a approving that Jew, like a large section of Jews could, could join in them like that. That’s why they were so excited and so incredulous, , about this. . So, yeah. , But the Pope did appear to be suspicious from the start.</p><p>, Papal nuncio, Polish primates were suspicious. , No frankish became priests, bishops or high officials in the church. So to say that this is like carried into the Catholic church, I think not, but the point I’d make is if, if the conspiracy is anywhere, it’s within the Catholic Church, not Jews.</p><p>The [00:23:00] Jews apparently hated the, for obvious reasons, hated these people.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> continue.</p><p>Okay.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> So you’re not gonna respond to the nine 11, the, the Bolshevik Revolution claim. The Harvard University is Mossad base. Just, we’re just putting it out there. First</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> of all, Harvard University could be a masad base. That would not be like a crazy thing. You know what?</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> No, I don’t want your response.</p><p>We’re just gonna go. No, hold on. No. We need a plausibility check. No. Whatcha doing? I’m trying to say she’s psychotic and you’re like,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> me too. Me too. Do, no, I’m I you, it’s important that you point out where her things aren’t that crazy. Okay. Can you just say something like Harvard University would actually make an excellent, so first of all spy operations have repeatedly throughout history, used university campuses, specific university campuses Yeah.</p><p>For recruiting new assets and agents. Yeah. You want</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> competence. The, you get it there. Well, it’s not just</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> competence, but it’s a good time on somebody’s life to get you know, a blackmail on [00:24:00] them. Yeah. They’re, they’re typically more open to like, you know, if you’re a young person at college, they’re like, look, we’ll help you get a few early good jobs.</p><p>You just owe us this later. Mm-hmm. Like it’s a very easy place to do that. Moad is the most competent spy craft operation on the planet Earth. No. Yeah. So recruit from even people will argue against that.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Yeah. Yeah.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> So that they would have an operation set up at Harvard. Seems I, I’d almost think it would be unlikely that there isn’t some sort of moad recruiting operation at Harvard.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Okay.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Video.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Yeah. I mean the FBI recruited at my college, but that’s just ‘cause we were based in DC Okay. She, she also on the, on the Jew front, we, we gotta keep going. There’s a lot more suggested that critics of Israel fear for their lives and that Jews assassinated JFK. And well, the JFK one actually has a lot</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> of backing to it,</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> so I thought everyone said it was like the mafia, the Italian No, no, no, no.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> It was the mafia probably. But what’s important to note is that when [00:25:00] they finally released all of the JFK files and, and we’ve gotten the, like they did, they finally did. I thought they did. Yeah. They released a lot of them. The, the one thing that is censored consistently throughout all of them, because I, I forget how we know this, but it’s anything tied to Israel.</p><p>Um, And apparently there was a lot tied to Israel in those files.</p><p>Now what I think actually happened is Israel was being stupid and didn’t understand how that was gonna look. And so they were just like, well, because we do a lot of joint spycraft operations and stuff like that. Oh. And so they were probably like, Hey, this is like, proprietary information for us, Israel, and we did these joint operations thinking they would never get out to the public.</p><p>And so, do not. Mention our name in this. And so the guy at the desk was like, okay, cross out Israel. It’s gonna make you guys look guilty as sin, but I’m crossing it out.</p><p>Okay, so I looked back into this one to try to understand why it was all crossed out, that when it had to tie to Israel and it was actually a blanket cross out tied to something called sources and methods. Meaning anything that [00:26:00] had to do with how we got intelligence because obviously you don’t want to show sources was crossed out and we do so much cross intelligence was Israel that it made it look like Israel was super tied to this.</p><p>And the reason we know it’s Israel is because the 2025 message. Unblocked all the Israel mentions, and then so people were able to see when that dropped, , that Israel had just been crossed out a ton , in former stuff, but everywhere had been crossed out was very innocuous.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Now who do I think actually killed JFK? I think it was a breakout faction within the FBI that was attempting to maintain power.</p><p>This is I can see that. Yeah. I could do a d different episode on that, but I actually think that there’s a lot of evidence that there was at the time portions of the FBI that essentially began to operate without government supervision. And the people in it thought that they were doing what was right for America and thought that any thing that they did was, was okay to do because they’re long-term doing it for America.</p><p>And so I think it was an FBI operation and not, not like the mainstream FBI, but like a branch of it. But anyway, you’re getting into Malcolm [00:27:00] Conspiracy here.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Yeah. Well, we can do the, if, if you guys want Malcolm’s Conspiracy Corner we can, we can do that. Just comment below. Let’s get to the transgender, the conspiracies, because I don’t think Stop.</p><p>We’re gonna keep going. We’re gonna do Malcolm Conspiracy Corner if people want it, save it. But. Let’s get to the transgender stuff. ‘cause you started with referring to Macron. I didn’t know it was just Macron. So we knew about the Macron conspiracy. Okay. Specifically for those uninitiated that Bridgette, Bridget Macron, who’s France’s, first Lady Emmanuel Macron’s wife.</p><p>They have a weird enough relationship as it was. She was his school teacher. So it, it was already weird people. We didn’t need to make it weirder, but she alleges that that Tte was born male. That her name was Jean-Michel Tru Tru New, but that’s her brother’s name. So there there is one. It’s just her brother.</p><p>And this led to a, a defamation lawsuit that was filed last year. I think it’s still going on. But it [00:28:00] wasn’t oh, it also just with Macron, she, she also thinks that they’re plotting her assassination. And that they are complicit in Charlie Kirk’s murder. But that’s just via French involvement in global conspiracies.</p><p>Not like they. Specifically had it out for Charlie Kirk, but here’s the thing that I didn’t know about her whole transgender stuff, is that she has made similar baseless allegations about other women like Michelle Obama and Kamala Harris suggesting that this is part of this broader and pattern where powerful women’s achievements.</p><p>Defy traditional norms. I just, I’ve gotta have,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> she’s like, awesome powers. I’ve gotta put that scene here.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Yes.</p><p><strong>Speaker 2:</strong> This is my mother. Mrs. Exposition, how do stand? Thank God, man. What have you done?</p><p><strong>Speaker 3:</strong> That’s not your mother. It’s a man baby. Yeah, yeah. Come on. Why this come?</p><p>Yeah. Hold on. Hold on [00:29:00] one second. My mother. Oh. Oh, mother, are you?</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> No, literally, literally, I swear to God. She’s mad, man. No, it’s like, it’s like the lawsuit comes out, right? And they’re like, no, this is actually a woman. And, and of course she’s like,</p><p><strong>Speaker 3:</strong> You have a lot of explaining to do. I’m sorry, basil. I thought she was a man. Damn it man. You are talking about my mother. Well, you have to admit she is rather Manish Austin. Well, no offense, but if that is a woman, it does look like she was beaten with an ugly stick. What</p><p><strong>Speaker:</strong> really, Austin?</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> no sense.</p><p>She did look rather mad. Pull off</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> the wig, actually.</p><p>What was even crazier is watching this next scene in the world of trans normalization and then imagining a based remake of Austin Powers where he has a similar mix up and they have to explain to him that this is normal [00:30:00] now.</p><p><strong>Speaker 4:</strong> Can I get you a drink, Mr. Powell? .</p><p><strong>Speaker 5:</strong> Wait, I’ve got an idea.</p><p><strong>Speaker 4:</strong> Austin, why on earth did you hit that woman?</p><p><strong>Speaker 6:</strong> Right? Let me show you, baby. That ain’t no woman. It’s a man. Man.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> So then there’s the what, what I would like to call the, the fake and gay series. She’s, she’s referred to some things as it’s just fake and gay. But sadly in this case, gay just, it means like the, the sort of pejorative slang and not actually gay, which would’ve been more fun if she had like some kind of conspiracy around.</p><p>For example, she, she describes the Apollo moon landing as a fake and gay, but that’s not about like gay men doing something. She. She was just hosting conspiracy theory. Bart Sebel on her podcast at one point to promote the idea that the Mo Moon landing was staged, possibly by Stanley Kubrick. And then she later clarified on Bill Mayer’s podcast that she didn’t care [00:31:00] enough about the topic to fully endorse it as a hoax, but she’s just like, yeah, moon Landing fake and gay.</p><p>But I mean, even Kim Kardashian is like, I mean, this is, I just feel like that’s kind of mainstream. It’s, it’s, it’s flat earthers, but flat earth her, but make it mainstream thought or like attractive woman. Mm-hmm. You know?</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> No, it’s, it’s, it’s basic and I.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> It’s, it is very basic. It, yeah. It’s the pumpkin spice latte of conspiracy theories.</p><p>Moon landing was faked. Yeah. And then dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are also fake and gay. Moon landing and dinosaurs. Yeah. Moon landing dinosaurs. Yeah, she’s, she’s also promoted gnostic inspired ideas being certain events like Kirk’s assassination through this lens of ancient heresies where just, yeah.</p><p>But anyway, so, just in more broad, and I think this is where we can just broadly agree with at least one element of it, and that she, she, on the social and political front has called she, she said that like there’s been this what’s the best way to put it? Like con, concerted effort to [00:32:00] disproportionately abort black babies.</p><p>And we have 100%. Back that up on our podcast. It is true that that is not a conspiracy, I guess it’s a conspiracy and that Planned Parenthood conspired to have black babies aborted. But it’s not an literal conspiracy set up was to abort black children. So she was right on that one. And I guess you’re right.</p><p>Like there, there some of the things here are really well-founded, but let’s go to Charlie Kirk because I mean, I think you and I would probably still agree that Tyler Robinson got a little deranged and, and kill them. You know, I, I don’t, I don’t think we, we believed there was something more going on at this time.</p><p>Yeah. But what,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> what was going on is so nefarious and bad looking for progressives and the power powers that be. Why would you, why would that be fake?</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Yeah. And also just here’s where Candace Owens really, I, I, I, I wanna, I’m, I’m still trying to work out how she sees this, so maybe you can explain this.</p><p>She says that Kirk was shot from below the stage with the assassin assassin escaping through tunnels. But I’ve se I’ve seen the [00:33:00] footage and I think many people have of the shot. It doesn’t look like he was shot from below. She, she tied the killing to Israel, suggesting Mosad involvement due to Kirk’s shifting views on Israel.</p><p>And, and she shared this text thread that was leaked because it didn’t look like it, it, it, it wasn’t a text</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> he was going anti-Israel. He was,</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> and, and the text thread that that famously got shared wasn’t one between her and Charlie Kirk, like with the whole time traveling flirtation thing. But instead it was, it was between Charlie Kirk and another member of Turning Points USA, where he was like.</p><p>Like he was just fed up with Jewish donors for Well, I mean, we’ve</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> had episodes like that on our show. Like, it, it’s really frustrating to say something like mildly cr like be like, we should like rethink our military aid. Or like, oh, here’s why people are acting more antisemitic, and then people saying that’s antisemitic.</p><p>Mm-hmm.</p><p>And you’re like, I didn’t like, what, what’s even the point of ever being nice to a community if you do the, the, [00:34:00] the slightest infraction and, and the you catch</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Yeah. Yeah.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Biting at you. Right. I, I don’t know</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> though, like, I’m also very mercenary, like if someone gives me money, like I, I dance for that, you know?</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Yeah. I I do the same. Right. You know?</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Yeah. You are big Jewish</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> donors. Yeah. You bought a service, you get the</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> service. Yeah.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> I, I lack Charlie Kirk’s well, whatever. Moral, well, the, the thread</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> though, specifically, let me pull it up in this thread. He says, just lost another huge Jewish donor, 2 million a year because we won’t cancel Tucker, I’m thinking of inviting Candace.</p><p>Ugh. Jewish donors play into all the stereotypes. I cannot and will not be bullied like this. Leaving me no choice but to leave the pro is real cause to which his colleague, who we don’t see in the screenshot says, please don’t invite Candace. That might feel good short term, but it’s not good long term in my opinion, like all groups are gonna get wide variety of opinions, that nasty, free will thing that God bestowed on us makes life frustrating at times.</p><p>And then he talks about after [00:35:00] the dust settles something, something and then it gets cut off. But what Charlie Kirk was experienced was he lost 2 million a year. So to my mercenary thing, I mean, I, I might also falter. If someone stops paying, maybe I might stop doing the thing they’re paying for.</p><p>So it’s, I I</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> canceled Tucker for 2 million a year.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> You</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> wanna know, you wanna know how much, do you wanna know how much? Well, I have your loyalties</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> lie, Charlie Kirk. Better than these two. I’ll tell you that. I know, right? But so it’s not just Mossad that Candace is blaming though. She, she also thinks that there are T-P-U-S-A insiders.</p><p>Not Erica Kirk. Not Erica Kirk and American Israel supporters and also the French military. Don’t forget the French military. And also evangelical churches. I, I haven’t gone deep enough into like all of the, the role that each individual part plays. But she’s, she’s also linked Kirk’s trip to Asia to this all and claimed it was part of this larger coverup.</p><p>And yeah, she, just to be clear, because a lot of people who follow her have, [00:36:00] have tried to insinuate or directly implicate Erica Kirk in, in this murder. And Candace Owens is very clear, like, no, I’m not blaming Erica Kirk. And she met with Erica Kirk and like played up, like, played into people’s like, oh, Erica’s gonna try to kill you.</p><p>And Candace Owens is like, well, Erica, like, I don’t know, like got bought her a drink or something. She’s like, well, I didn’t drink it. Like, I don’t, but like she, she’s been very explicit either because she’s being hit with like major defamation or slander lawsuit threats or because she actually just.</p><p>For some reason really doesn’t wanna implicate this, but there’s the Egyptian plains component that I think a lot of people will have</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> to do, especially if she knows that it’s fake to blame somebody for killing like the mother their their</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> husband. Yeah. The mother of children. Yeah. ‘cause she also is a mother of children.</p><p>This is</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> actually like a fake thing she’s doing for entertainment purposes. Yeah. I, I can see her being like, look, even I’m not that monster. Yeah. Even, yeah,</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> yeah, yeah. She’s not that debauched. But a lot of people mock her for the whole Egyptian planes thing, and I [00:37:00] didn’t know how they fit in. So I’m going to explain for those who like me, she got the record.</p><p>She the record all wrong. What? Who?</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Huh? The plane record. She got them all wrong.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Well, yes, but here’s what she claimed. She claimed that Egyptian military or surveillance aircraft, and she was specifically. Identifying the planes like SU dash btt, and SU dash bnd via flight tracking data from sources like A DSB exchange were repeatedly tracking or overlapping with the locations of Erica Chirk Erica Kirk.</p><p>And then on the day of the assassination she, she claimed that at least one or maybe both of these Egyptian planes was present or powered on at the Provo Airport, which is right by where. Charlie Kirk was and then she says that one took off shortly after, while the other remained grounded, and that passengers 11 allegedly received rental cars possibly linked to Duncan Aviation.</p><p>And she implied that there were operatives and foreign entities [00:38:00] on the ground. And then she’s referenced tips including unnamed, quote unquote federal agents warning her to stop discussing the planes and alleged T-P-U-S-A pressured her to drop it too. But she, she basically just is, is trying to say, people are trying to shut me up about this and cover it up.</p><p>And I think when people are like. Candace, you’re wrong about this. Like, you were just like, Hey, she used, she used the, she tracked the data wrong. I think when people even in, in who are her supporters and who believe what she says try to correct her because they actually did fact check and they couldn’t find, they just couldn’t back up what she was claiming.</p><p>The way her brain intuitively interprets that is, oh, you are trying to silence me. So I think that’s, that’s kind of the problem when you tell her you’re,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> you’re factually wrong.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Here</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> are the rest. Yeah. She’s</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> like, oh, I see what, you’re a federal agent, aren’t you? Like that kind of thing. But let’s also, of course, the, the, I just, her brain works like that.</p><p>Her brain is, she has a beautiful mind. She has a very stable genius. And let’s, [00:39:00] let’s though, speaking of geniuses and, and exceptional people, her whole X-Men style school for gifted children thing she, I wanna know more</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> about this. Yeah.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> So this whole thing about Charlie Kirk being marked as a child due to exceptional abilities, like off the chart.</p><p>Test scores and things like that. Maybe, maybe possibly foresight. She, she alleged that agents wanted to drug him for behavioral issues, but that his mother refused. And this led to him being placed in a school for the gifted akin to the X-Men Academy. And she was possibly referring to programs like gate or schools out of Quest Academy in Illinois.</p><p>And she says that he was monitored by government agents his whole life required security early on, and that she herself was recruited for a similar program, but quote, pretended to be an idiot and quote to escape. And critics note, Kirk attended public schools like Wheeling High School and did not graduate college.</p><p>And this contradicts the whole narrative. So, to be fair, [00:40:00] arguably school teachers are government agents. And also it’s super common for teachers and school administrators to insinuate at, at, at the very least, possibly even explicitly, encourage parents to drug their children. True. Like to give Adderall to, to especially smart, energetic boys, like they’re drug to high heaven.</p><p>So she’s not wrong that he was monitored by government agents, his entire youth, and, and that they tried to drug him because that’s like literally any boy in America who goes to school.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Yeah. That, that happened to me growing up. Like I don’t under,</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> I also think both you and I were in the GATE program. I,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> yeah, I was in a lot of well, various, like, gifted programs.</p><p>I was in my, my,</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> I was definitely, I was actually in gate. I remember testing into it and I remember going to it, and I, I have zero memory of what we actually did. I remember, I remember where we would meet for class. It was [00:41:00] in the, our, our school auditorium, which was also our school lunchroom, which was also our school basketball, like indoor basketball court.</p><p>But I don’t, I I remember sitting at folding table, we didn’t do anything. Yeah. Being, being mon. Yeah. I, but I love that she she pretended to be dumb just to stay away from the program. Everyone wanted to be in that program. ‘cause you could get at a normal class and basically do nothing. I, I love</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> the idea if you have this, this, this paranoid child who has, takes tests for like, the gifted program and they, they, like I, I’ll put on the Cartman Sea where he is pretending to be retarded.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Oh. So yeah. Anyway on the X-Men thing, like, well he wasn’t in any special schools. She’s not technically wrong about. The other, she’s technically wrong. She’s</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> entirely wrong.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Well, no, I mean, okay. He didn’t go to like an X-Men Academy, but like a government agent to monitored [00:42:00] him and tried to drug him.</p><p>I’m just,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> okay.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> True. So that’s true. I’m saying that’s true. I’m confirming this one</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> true. Okay. It’s just, I love that there’s a bunch of these where I’m just like, well, it depends on how you look at it.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> No, she, she, she, she she spends a good yarn and maybe this, maybe she warrants then the $240,000 she gets a month minimum on Patreon.</p><p>Not a little salty about that at all. We get, I’m very, for those of you who support us on Patreon, though, I am so freaking grateful. It really means a lot to us, so thank you. So let’s go to the time traveler claim though, because let’s not forget about that. She, she stated it as an absolute fact that Kirk believed he was a time traveler based on private text messages.</p><p>Where, you know, and for the first, the way she, she framed this all before she actually shared a screenshot of the text exchange, which I read to you at the top, was that, you know, he, he said he was a time traveler and that he had to find her. And, and she also [00:43:00] claims that, that he knew he would die young to change outcomes.</p><p>And then speculated that this was tied to CIA’s project looking glass which is this conspiracy theory about a time traveling device from the a the ancient Samaria. Like it, it’s linked to the Mandela Effect. What a</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> cool effing world. We need to have a video game that just takes place in the world.</p><p>That Candace Owen, I made, I made</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> one on reality fabricator. You’re Candace Owens, and everything you say is true. Like all your conspiracy theories are true. And I had create a summary of all of our conspiracy theories, and I put it into that. When you make a custom scenario on gr you, you can, you can have like the premise of it be public and upfront, and then you can put stuff in the backend of like the plot of whatever adventure you’ve created that the user can’t see, but that the AI knows.</p><p>So as you play through it, it, it, all those plot devices come out.</p><p>Janice, I was</p><p>trying all of her conspiracy theories, so like you’ll bump into them as you play</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Canice Owen’s trying to survive in a world of, of you know what I like about [00:44:00] her conspiracy theories? Yeah. Is. The, they are very different from standard conspiracy theory narratives.</p><p>It’s not like aliens and everything like that, or reptilians or anything. It’s, you know, secret government schools and, and, and spying on you and like, sort of like almost gang stalking related stuff, but tied to other people, like Yeah. Yeah. It is, it’s delightful. A fascinatingly, unique conspiratorial world that like borders on the believable in many ways.</p><p>If you’re prone to like, it’s not,</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> yeah. Into, I have no</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> magnetic hours. Is Charlie hurt if he just</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> mentally Yes. And did, and I, I tried to find out because we, we have these texts that he sent her, which explained the time traveler part where she like way Yes. And did that like a lot. But I couldn’t get, I, I was trying to find out where she got the impression that he thought he would die or knew he would die young.</p><p>I mean, you and I get this impression that we’re gonna die like any day. Yeah. So we talk about that. I feel like part of that could just [00:45:00] be that he kind of had the same mindset that we do, which is like, I just can’t imagine making it past. Like to the next year. Like, I’ll just</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> tell you where she got it from,</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> where</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> like, I, I could already sort of figure this out.</p><p>She got it because it’s narratively the most interesting thing. Well, no, no,</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> no. We, we actually, so I’ll tell, I mean, in her, in her January 14th podcast of this year. So like, four days ago as of this recording titled Project Looking Glass, how did Charlie know he was going to die? This is episode two 90 of her Candace show.</p><p>She explicitly states that Kirk repeatedly told her he was a time traveler and expressed foreknowledge of dying young. And then she claims that he, he tied this to his work with Turning Points, USA saying things like. From the beginning of Turning Points, USA, he quote, knew in his gut that he might get wiped out at any time.</p><p>End quote, and dreamed about it frequently. She claims he, quote, was not sure he would live to see the end of this revolution. End quote, and believed Owens was the person meant to [00:46:00] quote, finish the fight, end quote after him, and then he predicted his death would be a. Tragic event connected to the organization, and that he would die young as part of a larger mission or predetermined outcome.</p><p>So that’s what she said during recently.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> It’s very clear. So first of all, remember what she extrapolated into? He the time traveler. She doesn’t think she’s an alien from that exchange. I know, I know. That’s so great. It’s so great. Yeah. It’s not two sided. Yeah, no, nothing she says is a joke. Just things that other people say can’t be jokes.</p><p>But the the wider point being is when she looks at something like this. Mm-hmm. So he says, he said he might die young or like he’s afraid of being assassinated, which anyone was. His profile would be, you get totally, totally right. Yeah. Like we did death threats constantly. We talk about that with people that we talk to.</p><p>Like obviously that’s what he talked to her about. I might die as part of my advocacy. Yeah. And something like, it’d be normal to say something like, and I, well, it was a</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> real risk. I mean, he had security. He knew that there were threats. I’m sure he got death threats all the [00:47:00] time. Yeah. So, yeah.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> So did he say that to her?</p><p>Yeah, probably. Yeah. You know, but does that mean she’s just</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> threading it together? She’s, we’re running outta time, so let, keep going. Okay. So first off, I just had to kind of like reality check this, like, is, is there actually evidence that anyone genuinely believes what she’s saying? Because I could see a world in which she’s just, just doing jazz with conspiracy theories, but everyone else is just like, they, they’re not believing it.</p><p>Yeah. But there are absolutely posts that I found even after a tiny bit of scrolling. On her Twitter feed or Or on? On X, or just seeing what people have sent me about Candace Owens of people absolutely trying to defend her. One example is Lori Love, who is over 19,000 followers on X defending Owens time traveler claims by pointing to her sharing the text exchange screenshot.</p><p>She writing Candace Owens claims. Charlie Kirk was a time traveler. She’s insane, she’s psychotic. Kind [00:48:00] of, you know, voicing the doubts of people as expressed. Yeah. And then she writes correction. Charlie Kirk said he was a time traveler as if like mic drop. Like as if this wasn’t obviously a flirty exchange that where they’re just kind of joking or at least, I mean, could Candace Owen’s just joking that she’s an alien?</p><p>I, anyway in terms of whether supposed to do anything other than joke back to that, how else do you even respond to that? I know, I know exactly like he’s doing what any normal person with social skills would do. So I think it’s it, so I’m just saying there are people, people online who are feeding into it and who are so earnest and don’t see the irony.</p><p>However, her fans are absolutely trolling her and egging her on as well. And it’s not just her fans. The Daily Wire also trolls her. So one thing they did recently was they made a fake Egyptian air advertisement riffing on her Egyptian plains conspiracy theory and, and [00:49:00] posted it from her, her old daily wire account.</p><p>Which is delightful.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> That’s a good meme. I like that.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> And then I think she, what did the ad say? What was the joke? Oh, let me, I’ll, I’ll send you, you can watch it. You can watch it really quick. Hold on. Let send you a link. ‘cause it’s, it’s funny. It’s cute. Okay. Go to WhatsApp</p><p><strong>Speaker 7:</strong> You should be obsessed with traveling, not just the destination, but the experience of getting there. When you travel with us, you’ll feel warmth, you’ll feel welcomed, and you’ll feel watched because every seed comes with the peace of mind, of knowing someone is following you, following you with two planes.</p><p>This is what you can expect when you fly with. At Egyptian Air, we definitely never mix up our time zones, flight numbers, or flight time. We now know every journey is your personal business. After all, your personal business is our business is our motto. [00:50:00] Egyptian Air, wherever you travel.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> oh my God, Simone, what is, it’s a good troll is even we just, I wish I lived in this world of trolling Candace Owens. We, we don’t have crazy people in our world.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> We’ll, we’ll get there. But here’s I would, I, I also need to point out that Candace Owens actively feeds into this. So, she made a post recently where she said, question for conspiracy theorists, in quotes only, what’s the real reason?</p><p>The deep state is suddenly obsessed with seizing Greenland. So she actively calls out conspiracy theorists. In scare quotes and asks them to share theories with her. So there is, there is, she’s like, I don’t have a good conspiracy</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> theory on this one</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> yet. I’m gonna crowdsource, I’m gonna crowdsource.</p><p>Yeah. Gimme some, gimme some material guys. And they didn’t even have to pay $20 a month for that. Wow. I mean, like, this is, this is the hack. If you really wanna feed into the Candace Owens and have her listen to you, [00:51:00] but not pay $20 month</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> feed her conspiracies about us. I loved hearing on Joe Rogan that I’m a vampire and so</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Well, and actually she, she, she said that she was really enjoying listening to a podcast, I think associated with Kurt Metzger.</p><p>So anyway, let’s get to, what flavor of psychosis does Candace Owens have? So, in favor of AI psychosis, 2025 was the first year AI psychosis really arose. That is also when Candace Owens got really big and when all of these, these conspiracy theories I just shared with you went crazy. All of these really got big in 2025 at around the same time that AI psychosis got big.</p><p>However, Owens was known for being a conspiracy theory from 2018 onward. So I think if anything, the AI psychosis got worse or made it worse, or, or she got a AI psycho psychosis, which, which fed into her existence. I wanna,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> I [00:52:00] wanna talk about the word conspiracy theorist you’re using here. Okay. Yeah.</p><p>Okay, fair.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Fair. Because I’ll give, I’ll, I’ll give you the context in which she was described as a conspiracy theorist. Okay, great. Yeah. Reporting describes her as a pro-Trump conspiracy theorist, which I mean, come on. She was just right about things. It was right in the right wing. Media was tied to claims such as suggesting that mail bombs sent to Trump’s critics in October, 2018 were actually a left wing false flag, a claim she deleted after the suspect was identified as a Trump supporter.</p><p>Though, to be fair, there were tons. Both out in the open false flag style attacks, like the fact that Democratic superpacs, yeah,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> that’s not a excuse. Democratic</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> supporters supported Superpacs donated to primaries of. Extreme Republicans who would then win the primary but then be unelectable in the, in the general election, like there were absolutely democratic conspiracies.</p><p>So I don’t know. And then by 2020, she was publicly questioning official COVID, 19 death figures, which everyone was [00:53:00] attacking Bill Gates as a vaccine criminal. I don’t know. Then yeah, know only</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> everyone was, come on. She</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> was part of a broader anti-vaccine, pandemic related conspiracy rhetoric universe. This is, this is universe.</p><p>This only</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> spring the case that is AI psychosis. ‘cause all of this stuff is, is conspiracy fashioning. Okay. This is, these are actual conspiracies. A conspiracy spotter. Alright. They’re the difference between being a conspiracy</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Oh, versus generator. You’re right. ‘cause now she’s generating really novel, interesting stuff.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Yeah. So if you go with this stuff, I remember there was a Vanity Fair base that came up recently and they tried to like attack a bunch of the Trump people and it was like JD Vance of the conspiracy theorist. They’re like, oh, based, right? Like, that’s pretty cool, right? Like, because when I hear that, I think, oh, he’s like questioning stats around like COVID or something like that.</p><p>Right? Like jump never terms the time travelers.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> RFKs confirmation hearing where they’re like, well, but you’re, how do you answer the, the claims that you’re a conspiracy theorist? And he is like, well, which conspiracy theory are we talking about then this one? ‘cause it turned out to be true. This one. ‘cause it turned out to be true.</p><p>Yeah. It’s just like, oh [00:54:00] damn. Yeah. Like what it means to be a conspiracy theorist now is very different from what it meant before there were genuine rampant conspiracies all around us. So I touche. But in favor of the fan driven psychosis then Candace got big because of Charlie’s Kirk’s assassination.</p><p>I will, I’ll give you a graph. I’m gonna send you the, you can basically see in 2025, her follower count just went. Completely</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> off. So she’s got no reason to tone it down at this point.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Yeah. Like she, she’s being rewarded for her conspiracy theories. Click on the, the graph that I sent you. Uhoh, you can see.</p><p>It just goes uhoh. Like as soon as she goes off the reservation, she, it gets very</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> lucrative. Literally. No, it was like, it was like leveling off. Okay. At around like mm-hmm. 1.5 million, right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And then in one year it jumps to like 5.5 million. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> like, let’s, let’s talk [00:55:00] if, if you are, say, a therapist trying to, or a family or someone trying to intervene and someone’s existing tendency toward.</p><p>Psychosis. The last thing you wanna do is heavily reward it, both in terms of fan feedback and in terms of money. But what’s happening with her is you get this Skinner instant cha-ching plus, oh my God, you’re amazing. Every time she comes up with some new delusion. So I do think that the fan feedback would fry your brain, plays brain</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> so quickly.</p><p>Do you know how quickly my brain would fry if, if you guys loved every, and I do come up with a lot of good if you</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> monetarily loved. I don’t, we’re on Patreon in some, we have</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> a new one that’s gonna come out soon that a, I filmed today, but I wanna put this one live tomorrow. Thank. But the one thing that we film today is why Muslims never win wars of conquest.</p><p>After like. 200 years of Mohammad’s death. And it’s weird, like when you, when you go into the data in it it’s weird and it is very conspiratorial, isn’t it?</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> As weird as, as, [00:56:00] as Macron’s wife being a man,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> I think, well we argue that prejudice is good and it’s why the, the early. Yeah. Well that’s, I mean</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> that’s, that’s classic base camp bread and butter.</p><p>Give us time though. I mean, Candace was doing this longer than we have been doing</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> it. We have definitely gotten crazier as time has gone on. I’ll give you that much like our fans when we did the episode saying that parasites are likely augmenting people’s arousal pathways and thus their sexual identities.</p><p>Yeah. They were like, give it, because that’s pretty deep Republican and the</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> toxoplasmosis is making, like giving people certain fetishes and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And,</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> and people were like, because you know what ba basically people hear from that is. Being gay is contagious. Right? And so, they, they or, or alternate sexual profiles are contagious.</p><p>And then they’re like, they’ll, they’ll be talking about demons next. Like, they’re like, they’re go, they’re getting there. And I, and the, our fans who say this, love it. Our fans love the deeper our conspiracies go. I [00:57:00] never get a, Hey Malcolm, step back from the ledge there. Like,</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> yeah, yeah. If that was accompanied with a bunch of paid subscriptions, we’d probably feed into it more.</p><p>I’m not asking, not a bunch. Am I asking for that? I don’t, I don’t mind. We need money. It’s very cool’s. Can you see how cold it is in here right now? I’m just saying. We’re cold. Oh. But in favor of normal psychosis. In favor of normal psychosis. I actually do think that there is something to this.</p><p>There is no reliable public evidence that Candace Owens has any sort of family history of psychosis or schizophrenia, and she’s certainly not discussed any family history or there’s no like critical biological news sources on this. So I, there’s no like, oh, well she comes from a family with this kind of problem.</p><p>However, like Jordan Peterson has talked about his family having all the sorts of, you know, health problems that he then associates with. So I’m just saying like, there are other people who talk about these things. Candace Owens doesn’t talk about this. However she does [00:58:00] seem to have this general tendency to think in a schizo manner that stems back even to her early career before you could have AI or fan-based psychosis.</p><p>Because in 2016, during her whole soul autopsy, her like doxing web, you remember her like first business venture was basically a doxing website. For</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> doxing other people.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Yeah. Social autopsy was supposed to be like this. It, it was, it was her entry to the gamer gate circles where she, she blamed progressive gamers in the left for doxing her, despite her like basically very scan evidence.</p><p>And in this case she basically had this very conspiratorial, like they’re out to get me mindset about being doxed and being persecuted. And I think from as long as there’s sort of a public record of her, there’s a record of her thinking that people are out to get her and that there are conspiracy against her.</p><p>So I think it is part of her general mindset. [00:59:00] And so what I think we have with the psychosis maxing of Candace Owens is a perfect storm of someone who just by personality, be it schizo or not. Tends to view things conspiratorially and also tends to believe people have it out for her personally. Then being subject to.</p><p>AI driven psychosis. At the same time she is subject to fan driven psychosis. You get this really powerful result, and that is why suddenly there’s stories of Charlie Kirk going to the X-Men style. Well, and I</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> think that we have evidence, you have shared with me what I found to be very credible evidence of AI psychosis.</p><p>Mm. Specifically the type of conspiracy that she was building, where she was going through, I think it was like random strings of letters tied to like call signs on plate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And connecting them with like famous events from history. And it was not the type of connection that a human could [01:00:00] easily make, but it’s the type of connection you could force an AI to make.</p><p>Like, well, but also like the, the, the Frank Ist.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Stuff like that’s, that’s deep. And I think you have been able to do a lot of religious history research because AI has enabled those searches. I, I would be shocked if she doesn’t use AI to power her research. She doesn’t have like a big staffer operation.</p><p>I mean, her husband manages the business side of her business. I don’t think he’s that involved in her content. I, and I don’t think she has a big staff. So I think she’s leaning heavily on AI and the, the correlation between someone who leans heavily on AI for research and who then asks AI is sort of mirror, mirror on the wall situation that drives people nuts.</p><p>Is, is, you know, the risk is higher. Right. You know, when you’re exposed</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> to that. Right. But the, the structure of some of her conspiracy theories. Basically a human couldn’t structure a conspiracy theory that way, not quickly. They might be able to, you know, putting it on the site, letting the otus go at it for a few months and then come back and been like, well, [01:01:00] they found, because it wasn’t like exact, it was like, okay, there was this call sign, which rep was like this camp in World War ii and there was this call sign, which was this secret military group Yeah.</p><p>In like the Napoleonic Wars and there was this call sign and it was like, those are really not normal connections. Yeah. Only</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> AI could easily and fastly do that at scale, otherwise, yeah. You have to wait for auto to churn and churn and churn. That’s, yeah, that’s fair. Although I, I, I think again, it’s even more superpowered by the fact that you do have all these people feeding her stuff and her actively asking people to feed her stuff.</p><p>So it’s, it’s top minds.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> I’m asking you guys if we have any people in the Candace Owens get her on our conspiracy theories. Okay. We’ve got a lot of good ones here. We got a lot of good ones. Could be synergistic.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Yeah. But could be synergistic. I mean, unless we, we have to, we have to plausibly be implicated in Charlie Kirk’s murder.</p><p>‘cause that is ultimately the big cash cow. Like that is the thing. All these things, even [01:02:00] Therons, keep in mind, you know, like everything except for dinosaurs in the moon landing, being fake and gay are are pretty much connected in some way to Charlie Kirk. It all comes back to Charlie Kirk. I mean, her, his, his martyrdom was her, her skyrocketing to fame and she is, and very shameful as</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> peers what it is.</p><p>It’s</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> really, yeah, it is. It, it, it hurts me to see that part of it. It’s very. I don’t like saying cringe, but it is</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> if, if, if she’s not just crazy, she’s a very bad person. Like that’s just the gist. But see, I don’t</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> think she means to be, I, I think she genuinely really liked Charlie Kirk. They clearly flirted and had fun.</p><p>And I, I don’t mean like, I don’t mean to insinuate any that both were married happily. I think they were both very happily married too. Mm-hmm. I just think that they were playful friends and they, they liked each other and he was nice to her. I mean, to be fair, I think he was very playful and kind and, and charismatic with everyone he worked [01:03:00] with, which is one reason why he was so successful in his role and a great fundraiser to boot.</p><p>But yeah, I think she genuinely cared a lot for him and it drove her pretty nuts to see him. But here’s the, here’s the other thing is when you are in, in this period of grief and emotional. Insanity when you lose someone you care a lot about. And then everyone rewards you when you go through this one period of your grief where you’re like, oh, it was the Jews who did it.</p><p>It was T-P-U-S-A, it was the French, it was, ah, and then like, and then, then people feed into that. When you’re kind of driven crazy by your grief, you can do crazy things. You know, I, I don’t think this was intentional. I don’t think she was like, wow. I just think when it, it’s very hard to go against your instincts when you do something and then get immense rewards for it.</p><p>It’s, it’s just classic conditioning.</p><p>Dave Chappelle has also talked about this, but he was saying, and I think this is something at play here, that it can be [01:04:00] very hard for famous people to accept that just a random, crazy person can kill one of your friends, and this is hard for normal people to accept. And so you. Invent a, a more larger theory about why, and his death was actually part of some bigger conspiracy.</p><p>, But it’s uniquely hard, as Chappelle pointed out, and I can’t easily emphasize with this, for whatever reason, that random nobodies can just kill you for no reason other than their weird ideological agenda.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Okay. Yeah, I mean, I, I hear that. I think</p><p>You nailed it on the head. What’s causing this? And I feel like I, I, I mean, you, you say, I hope she gets better, but it’s making her money. So, you know, like if she gets better, will anyone care what she has to say anymore?</p><p>Right. Like it’s a</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> No. That’s the thing is she can’t really go back now.</p><p>Maybe the way that this can work out the best is she [01:05:00] settles her lawsuit with Macrons and she becomes the, the trend spotter of new emerging conspiracy theories, but manages to be the person who separates the, the wheat from the chaff and actually surfaces new and good conspiracy theories that are true and credible and that change the way the people, you, you and I</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> know exactly where this goes.</p><p>So what’s gonna happen is she’s gonna keep spiraling into crazier and crazier stuff until it’s clear to. Any mainstream fan base she has that she’s actually just a crazy person.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> It’s already getting pretty far.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> I mean, keep in mind this kind of happened in much slower motion to Alex Jones where he starts fairly normal and then he gets a little crazier and a little crazier and then he’s shouting at the camera and about to lose it.</p><p>But this took like 10 or 20 years for him because he didn’t feed into it as quickly. She’s just gone all in [01:06:00] immediately. Like she’s at a point now that’s way crazier than Alex Jones ever got. Well if</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> she’s making two 50 KA month just on Patreon, as long as she and her husband save responsibly, they can.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> I don’t think she’s gonna save responsibly, Simone.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> I’m just saying they can be, be financially independent for the rest of their lives and just live off their dividends. Of</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> if comfortably she can be financially responsible.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Yeah, but I mean, look, she’s gonna make a million from Patreon alone in a quarter,</p><p>4 million a year. She’ll have 8 million in two years. That means that just off the invest amount, she could have over 20 KA month in take home income. I mean, some of that will be taxed. It’s just that like that, I’m, I’m I, Candace safe response. I mean, her husband’s managing the business. [01:07:00] She’s just, she’s just going off.</p><p>I, I imagine he’s the kind of responsible man who’s, who’s quietly banking this, and he is like, look, we’ll just have her. She’ll get a lot of work done after this scratch. Got it. We’ll get some. So like, yeah, like we will help her after. Right now, let’s just rake it in and we’ll pick up the pieces and put her back together as we live quietly on a farm somewhere far away from all of this and offline, you know?</p><p>Yeah. I, I, that is, that, that is what I’m hoping for her husband in the background. Just, he’ll pick up the pieces, but right now he’s, he’s doing what he needs to do, you know? Get that bag, sir. It’s true. Yeah. True.</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Yeah. Well, you are amazing. I love this episode. I felt like you did an absolutely excellent job of introducing me to all these ideas because I, I didn’t know I’m going into this.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> I was delighted to learn them as well. And check out reality fabricator. If you wanna play I’ll give you the link to that. There’s the, there’s the shareable link. Yeah, we got shareable, the scenario where you’re, you are Candace Owens, but all of the conspiracy theories are true if you wanna understand what it’s like to [01:08:00] live in her world.</p><p>You will know now you can play as her in, in her world. Delightful. So I love you Malcolm. And for dinner we’re making mystery curry with green onions, peppers, and I’m gonna put cream in ‘cause you wanted cream in your curries, right? Oh, I</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> love that idea. Yes. Well, and because it’s a mystery curry you probably want hoisin</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> sauce and sunbelt ole added.</p><p>Yeah. So sandal ole, I’m of course gonna saute garlic before I put it all in too, so, okay. I love you. And actually, would you, since you’re dressed, would you mind running and getting the kids? I, I can call Stacy right now just so I can</p><p><strong>Malcolm Collins:</strong> Yes. Change. But you call Stacy. Okay.</p><p><strong>Simone Collins:</strong> Okay. I’ll calling right now. I love you.</p><p>Oops. I’m pink and la.</p><p><strong>Speaker 9:</strong> Oh wait, why Dad? Why this go there? ‘cause I made it. You were already in the toilet. How do we put it there? There’s not one [01:09:00] enough code in, there’s the mouse is not, oh wait. It’s not connected that way. The mouse is not working. What? This is the mouse? Yeah. You plugged the mouse in there. That might’ve broken it.</p><p><strong>Speaker 10:</strong> By the way, you can’t plug the mouse into a power slot. Twist Octavian. Be careful about being so close to the edge of the bed you could fall off. Okay. What are you doing? Little one. Hey, you guys wanna watch Power Rangers?</p><p><strong>Speaker 9:</strong> I just wanna fly to mini game while we got to make a roller coaster. Yeah, I’ll put on Roller Coaster. 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