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Ryan Goodman on The Trump Trial: What Might Happen?

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August 4, 2023

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On what might happen in the Jan 6 Trump trial, who will testify, and what evidence might be presented. Click "Show more" to view all chapters. For more conversations, visit

Chapter 1 (00:15 - 31:11): The Trump Trial

Chapter 2 (31:11 - 59:44): How Might It Play Out?

How significant is the indictment of Donald Trump in the Jan 6 case? How might the case play out in court, and in our politics? According to Ryan Goodman, a professor of law at New York University, former special counsel in the Department of Defense, and co-editor of NYU Law’s Just Security blog, the indictment in the Jan 6 case is a momentous development in the legal maelstrom Trump faces, with potentially significant consequences for the 2024 election. Goodman argues that the Jan 6 case likely will differ dramatically from the Congressional hearings—not least because key figures including former Vice President Mike Pence, Rudy Giuliani, and Mark Meadows will be compelled to testify in court. Goodman suggests that the prosecution may succeed in “flipping” some in Trump’s inner circle to become cooperating witnesses in the case. Cautioning that much remains unknown about the timeline, and the political ramifications of it, Goodman argues it’s plausible a trial and verdict might occur before the 2024 elections.

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